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Hello. I am a 50+ woman from scandinavien who wonder if you Can help me.
I have now almost seen all of the crown. Knew lots, googled a lot. But i have a question if anybody would be so kind to explain to me.

How come so Many British people are so angry at Prince Harry for leaving the Royal House? They were all so evil to his mother?

Thank you.

The majority of people over here were very supportive of Harry and Meghan.
Despite some intitial bad press, she actualy had very positive coverage on their Australian tour.
What people do not like is the 6 episode netflix (Royal Family trashing); his book, Spare, (Royal Family Bashing);, Oprah, Interview (Royal Family Bashing), (while Prince Philip was seriously ill, shortly before his death), the various interviews accompanying his book, in which he did some more Royal Family bashing.
He revealed private medical information about William, while sueing anyone who he thinks leaks information about him; he revealed private conversations with Charles and William (after Philip's funeral) (we assume they are true, they could have been made up).
It is traditional for the RF not to answer these allegations, so they knew they could say anything they liked.
Leaving - or taking a step back - from the Royal Family is fine. There are others like Beatrice and Eugenie who do not undertake any royal duties. However, it is impossible to be half in and half out, because you are not allowed to monetise the Royal Family. *
As regards Charles and Diana, she admitted in her interview that she had only met Charles around a dozen times before becoming engaged. (she later regretted the interview - so we are told), It is clear therefore, that they hardly knew each other, and ultimately they were not suited to each other.
There is no 'they were mean to her'. Diana had plenty of help, but she lied about her involvement in the book by Andrew Morton.
However, I do not think People hate them. I would like them to succeed at their new life.
*Whether we agree or not, currently the Monarchy is our Head of State, and that is why there are some rules; no free clothing for example.

How do you perceive the danish royal house?

Alway thought Queen Margrethe was an amazing lady.

Always liked Diana but she was no saint. Had affairs with married men and had not seen her boys for weeks before she died, she was cavorting about in the south of France on El Fayeds yacht with Dodi, who was engaged to someone else.

I also thinkmshe lent too much on William as her marriage fell apart. Something I think Harry was probably not so aware if. I think William was emotionally abused somewhat but Harry will always perceive his mother as pwrfect.

This is also interesting.. she was profiled as this perfect mother..

She was certainly 'complex' - she was quite obsessive, potentially predatory (abuse of power/position) and was reported to have harrassed/stalked at least one of the married men that she had affairs with - her first affair was before Harry was even two years old and there were at least another 5 relationships/affairs in the next 10 years before she died.

She also famously fell out with friends. She also packed her boys off the boarding school at 8 years old, which I am not sure was still 'normal' in the mid-nineties. She was a just a teenager more or less pimped out / arranged marriage and her own childhood was traumatic.

Yes, that's all true.

I am not a Diana-worshipper at all, but I think one aspect of her character that's undeniable is her absolutely genuine care and interest in others less fortunate than herself. It's well-documented that she made many unofficial visits to places of which she was patron. She most definitely didn't do it just for the cameras as Meghan so obviously does.

I think her sons want and need to see her that way. And I'm sure she was more hands-on than the previous generation but as pps have said, her parenting would have fallen short of current expectations.

One anecdote which tells against her is that at Eton William had a picture of the wife/fiancee of one of Diana's lovers on his dartboard. Now that smacks of very unwise and unfair involvement of her teenage son in her own complicated love-life. I suspect that she leaned too much on them for her own emotional needs when they were teenagers. And William, being the older boy, probably had it worse than Harry.

I agree she was passionate and single-minded and channelled this authentic drive and energy into elevating many fantastic causes without bringing the spotlight on herself.

But it seems that this passion and single-mindedness could also spill out in a destructive or neglectful way.

I found the Vintage Reads review of 'The Housekeeper's Diary' on YouTube very informative.

It shows how Diana (at times) weaponised the boys against their father, and did seem to play favourites. (Having supper in bed with William while Harry stayed in the nursery).

She was a flawed, complex woman in a unique situation. I believe William sees her more clearly than Harry does/did.

But she was so Young and Charles was so absent.. and they all seemed so cold.
Yes later she acted out and had affairs and sent her children away - but it just seems like, at the start, she was pimped out and left alone.. and she had nobody to speak for her..

Agree - and this was a continuation of the emotional abandonment / neglect (possibly abuse) she endured through her childhood. It would have been very traumatic to have been left so young by her mother and her father certainly was not emotionally present or attuned to her needs.

I think she leaned too heavily on William as a support and confidante. I'm sure she didn't do so to hurt him, but it would have been difficult and added complex layers to his grief. It's why I get cross when Harry tries to centre his relationship with his mother, often very publically. I believe her death was equally painful for both of them of course, but there is nuance.

Leaving the royal family and going off to live a private life with his wife and children is fantastic and supported. However he has not done this. He went on Oprah and slandered the family. His book likewise he goes on pretend royal tours. He can escape, William cannot. I think the royal family protected him and we're now seeing the unhinged real Harry who has cut his children off from cousins etc.

Diana had a crush on Charles from when she was 16 apparently and I would imagine her family would have encouraged the crush, Diana’s grandmother and the Queen Mother were matchmakers for want of a better word so I think from a very young age the Spencer family primed Diana for the role of wife to Charles and Diana being a romantic probably fell in love with the fairytale of it all so it was an ‘arranged’ marriage of sorts, the relationship didn’t evolve out of the blue, she knew Charles as he had also dated her sister but that didn’t work out so Diana was next in line and I think she was fully aware of that and also wanted to please her father.

We also have to remember that although 19 seems incredibly young to us now, back then it really wasn’t, 19 year olds were very much classed as adults and it certainly wasn’t unusual to be married at 20 years old, both of my sisters married at that age back then. Diana after attending finishing school in Switzerland had a job as a nanny and then worked in a Kindergarten and she had her own flat in Kensington which she shared with a couple of other girls so she wasn’t just a kid fresh out of school like today, she had her own home, car, job and social circle so although not particularly worldly wise she was very much an adult in the adult world.

I do feel retrospectively sorry for Diana. She was treated really badly. She also played up to the press when she got divorced and seemed to prioritise that over her sons’ mental well-being so I have mixed feelings about her, just as I have about Harry. Yes I feel sorry for him. But yes I think he’s chucked his close family under a bus. But maybe they have chucked him under a bus too like he says.

It seems to me that Elisabeth II’s desire to run the monarchy in the old style went on too long and caused a lot of problems for the 40s onwards-born royals who grew up in a more modern age, primarily her own children.

Diana was what - 19? And Charles 29? Maby times were different then but that is some age gap..

How do you feel about Camilla and Charles? I dont know enough but to me it seems like a good match?

They have more in common I think; gardening and country pursuits, horsey stuff and dogs. That was not really Diana's thing.
I saw her at an event once, not to speak to, there was something un wordly and captivating about her in real life. I remember once saying to a friend that i could not imagine her getting old. She died the day after my Dad, the mass grieving was awful for me.

Well I'm British and I don't care. Should get rid of the lot of them

Diana's father was about 12 years older than her mother. A gap of years was not unknown in the family.

Diana's sister, Lady Jane Spencer, was born on 11th Feb 1957.
On 20th April 1978 she married
Robert Fellowes, who was born on 11th Dec 1941.

I think it's probably best to totally ignore the crown tv series. I think the real family are much nicer and more interesting.

The Spare is always trashed to make the heir look perfect so the public adore and worship him.

Watch all of Harry's interviews and read his book, only then will you fully understand.
He's been treated cruelly and the public brainwashed to worship Camilla.

Interesting

I disagree

I know Harry says that, but we know now that we cannot rely on his word, and there is no other evidence that the Palace plants negative stories about any members of the RF for any reason.

No-one has ever come up with an example of a deliberately planted negative story about any of them,