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[Notenoughcoffe]

Hello. I am a 50+ woman from scandinavien who wonder if you Can help me.
I have now almost seen all of the crown. Knew lots, googled a lot. But i have a question if anybody would be so kind to explain to me.

How come so Many British people are so angry at Prince Harry for leaving the Royal House? They were all so evil to his mother?

Thank you.

Thank you again. 🌺

Very good post from EdithWeston at 9.11.

Look on google/Youtube for the evening when Charles and Diana had practised their marriage vows In St. Paul's Cathedral, to see what it looked like in real life.

Good for you for being curious enough to find out a bit about Philip's mother. Did you know she was deaf? I think it took a while for that to be realised, when she was tiny. Correct me, anyone, if I have that wrong.

I think if you surveyed 1000 Brits a lot would not think much at all about Harry and Meghan, let alone hate them. I would say there are others who don't hate them at all, but have become impatient with their behaviour, the Oprah interview having been significant.

On Prince Phillip, letters between him and Diana came out during the Inquest in to her death that showed a close relationship and how he was prepared to support and advise her.

To answer your original question about people being angry with Harry, it's important to distinguish between the following groups:

• British tabloids - they may manufacture anger but they love all the drama of having a royal who doesn't do the things that royals are expected to do - they are in it for profit (online clicks)
• social media - unregulated and mostly anonymous, it tends to be polarised with the people commenting being either very for or very against Harry (and Meghan)
• British public - pay very little attention to royals for the most part but generally wanted Harry to be happy and were fine about him not being a working royal. There are generational differences in attitude to what has happened since with older people more likely to disapprove. 'Spare' seemed a turning point - there were mostly very funny memes being shared widely among the public.
• Royal commenting boards (like this one) - enjoy discussing the details. The general view is often that Harry appeared to struggle with several aspects of royal life since long before he met Meghan (e.g. the press and having a public profile) so leaving the Royal Family might well have been the right decision for him. How he went about it was a bit bewildering (he made lots of assumptions about security, for example, which is very important to him) and he burnt a lot of bridges on the way out. He seems to be heading for a Hollywood life now and that has raised eyebrows as most long-term followers of the Royal Family would suspect he'd be happier living a quieter more private life. However, Spare showed a level of spite towards William that was unexpected and he seems to resent being the, well, the Spare rather than the Heir so maybe he wants a public profile to compete with his brother. All in all, he has given us a lot to talk about.

I get very cross about films and TV in which history is misrepresented because these media are very quickly absorbed as truth by most people - and it's difficult to change their minds, even when they're confronted with evidence to the contrary.

Far, far fewer people actually read history books or academic articles - where the facts are scrutinised properly.

And since the US is so dominant in producing these dramas, their world view tends to dominate. I was surprised to learn in Enigma, for example, that it was the Americans who broke the Enigma codes, and not the British. And as for Mel Gibson's take on history - that man is responsible for so much anti-British feelling.

I think the facts matter.

Sethera · Today 06:19

Sadly, there is a lot of underlying racism in attitudes to Harry - he married a Black woman (who is also American and divorced) which did not go down well with the conservative element of the British press. Cue press harassment and lots of articles negatively comparing Meghan to Catherine, William's wife.
Harry and Meghan broke with the Royal Family because he wanted to step away from all this, but they couldn't agree on his role

No - Meghan at least had no intention of staying in the RF - especially since she was going to have to walk behind Catherine. H & M (most probably mainly M) always wanted to go and live with the A-listers in Hollywood while cherry-picking the glam royal engagements and photo opportunities in the UK. Oh, and all funded by us, too.

The Queen saw through their game and said no. They didn't like being told 'no', and all the rest was just petty revenge. They have lied and made themselves look very bad indeed. Meanwhile, the targets of their spite have borne the attack on their characters very bravely and have come up smelling of roses, as they deserve.

Mind you, it's taken a toll on their health though.

In a nutshell Harry thought he was more important within the Royal Family than he was/is. He would have been more relevant if he had stayed whereas now he lives a pretend " I am still a working royal prince".

"Sadly, there is a lot of underlying racism in attitudes to Harry - he married a Black woman (who is also American and divorced) which did not go down well with the conservative element of the British press. Cue press harassment and lots of articles negatively comparing Meghan to Catherine, William's wife.
Harry and Meghan broke with the Royal Family because he wanted to step away from all this, but they couldn't agree on his role"

This is the attitude that people outwith the UK like to permeate whereas most of the UK didn't give a toss about who Harry married. They love to reiterate this perspective that British people do not like black people and are racist because they are fans from African countries or the USA . They literally have no idea how diverse the UK is today. They parrot ideas that are fed to them.

Here in the US, H& M are generally ignored unless they do something annoying. He was booed at the Pat Tillman Award ceremony ( watch the YouTube videos). The Backgrid legal department were snarky after Taxigate. People in NYC are protesting the money spent on his security.

In my opinion it was Harry's book and their Oprah Winfrey show that did it for them. As the Queen once said 'recollections might vary'.

Don't forget the NF series! For H to agree to NF portraying the CW as empire 2.0 was an absolute betrayal. I appreciate some people may have a different perspective on the CW but his dgm worked very hard to make the CW work. Oh and H & M conveniently forgot they had happily accepted a role in the CW and M had decorated her veil with flowers from CW countries.

Personally I was very happy for the couple until M gave an interview to Tom Bradbury, a news anchor at the end of their tour of South Africa. A country where many people live in poverty. The interview was about how hard done by she was. Now normally I'd give a pass to any new mum but it was just so thoughtless and tone deaf to moan about her privileged, pampered life when she'd visited people experiencing great hardship.

I think that was a key moment for a lot of people.

Yes. At that point, I still felt that I would have been willing for them to have their say on how they felt about their media coverage, if it had been done separately. But I've been to the part of the world they were in and I really couldn't get over the lack of judgement on that.

If you haven't been to that part of the world, it's not just the poverty, although that is bad enough, it's the violence, the threat of violence, every minute of every day. It's absolutely oppressive. And very tragic. The legacy of apartheid. And it's such a beautiful country, as well. But the suffering is tangible.

I think it was pointed out that M had actually visited a class where girls were being taught self defence so they could potentially defend themselves against rapists and yet she still felt sorry for herself.
I had ds1 in dh's home country, which is a poor country although dh is from a well off family. I struggled after having ds1, with learning to look after a baby, being homesick and horrible in laws. However I only had to look around at women struggling to bring their babies up with next to nothing to stop myself feeling sorry for myself and feel gratitude. M has no empathy apparently.

That tour was USED by Meghan to bitch about her life in the royal family. She had no respect for the country she was visiting. It was an excuse to get in the limelight. It was pathetic - her blubbering face in a garden thanking someone for asking how SHE was. 🙄 it was PLANNED to be that way. This was no new Mum moment of emotion.

@Notenoughcoffe I have a question for you! I'm Australian & there has always been much interest here in the Danish royals since Mary married Frederik. Do you think they're well regarded? Apart from his supposed affair with a Spanish woman?

That's very ironic!

I think H & M are the King and Queen of (unjustified) dissatisfaction. They have moaned, groaned, bitched and sniped almost since their marriage. This campaign of attack and nastiness has been aimed not just at Harry's family (and based on now-exposed lies) but also at the UK in general.

I'd like them to repay me my share of the £30+m wedding they claim to despise.- (don't need it back from the other royals - they didn't rubbish their expensive weddings to a global audience).

I think they're awful. Scapegoats, indeed. I think you've swallowed their narrative whole!

Someone asked about Frederik and Mary. Yes i Think they are Well suited and Mary is the most popular royal we have.
Nobody know what he did in spain but no doubt it was a shit move.

And thank you again for all your replies.. I quit the crown, i could not handle how she was treated and when it is just fiction anyway it lost my interesse.
And yes i knew Phillips mum was not hearing. But were they nazis?

Philip's mother actually helped save some Jewish refugees from the Nazis.

His sisters in Germany had (I think) married upper-class Germans who didn't resist the Nazis, but how enthusiastic they were in the Nazi machine, I don't know). I'm sure other pps might be more informed. In Nazi Germany you didn't have the choice to opt out, remain neutral, or lie below the radar - and you had to be extremely courageous to resist them. Not defending people who 'went along' with them, but the penalties for not doing so were terrible.

I don't buy the 'Prince Philip was a racist' line. He may have been outdated in some of his ideas (not up-to-speed or 'woke' in current thinking) but he was hugely respectful of indigenous peoples around the world and campaigned to support them. I get the impression he thought we in the highly-consumerist Western world were the stupid ones.

I only watched a few episodes of "The Crown'. Much prefer the actual documentaries that can be found on Youtube. I recommend this, for Princess Anne. She really is great.

While it always had dodgy aspects, I think The Crown deteriorated badly in later seasons and there were a few earlier on I rated. Bubbikins about the marvellous Princess Alice and Aberfan, which was accurate about Lord Snowdon's efforts (although I think very unfair to the Queen)

I found the episode about Prince Philip at Gordonstoun insightful and perhaps gives a different motivation as to why he sent Charles there. He didn't regard it as torture, it had been marvellous for him, sad it was a poor fit for his son. The scenes recreating his sisters funeral where he walked behind her coffin (through sieg heiling crowds) was such a sad foreboding of Diana's funeral and he was portrayed as vulnerable, as William and Harry were.

@Notenoughcoffe I'm not qualified to talk about her daughters or their husbands as I don't know enough about them, but Princess Alice was most certainly not a Nazi and was awarded the honour of being Righteous Among the Nations for sheltering the Cohen family during WW2, at great personal risk. Yad Vashem is extremely careful about this award and her being a Royal would have had no bearing at all. Philip served in the Royal Navy with distinction during WW2.

I have immense sympathy for Diana but by the time of her tragic death she and Charles appeared to be in a much better place and on friendly terms and I think the worst was behind them.

"I get the impression he (i.e. Prince Philip) thought we in the highly-consumerist Western world were the stupid ones."

We once had a shortage of rain in the UK, so maybe water was rationed, by which I mean people probably weren't allowed to use hose pipes in their gardens. Among the voices was Prince Philip's. He said it was absolutely ridiculous for us to flush the loo with drinkable water even after one wee. He'd been to so many places around the world where water is a wanted commodity.