Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

If you consider yourself to be a royalist and you are getting annoyed about Harry coming and going or whatever else he's done, this is the irony of deciding to bow and scrape to people who didn't earn their position but were born to it.

They don't have less privilege simply because you don't like them any more or they treated their family badly. That's the thing.

It shows exactly why the monarchy is outdated and is bad for the UK.

Absolutely, I said as much on another thread, it’s just his devious way of trying to get his half in half out deal but just him doing the ribbon cutting, and us, the British tax payer would end up paying for his security around the world, problem solved in Harry’s eyes. He’s not interested in ‘”reconciliation” at all, it’s just another ploy to get what he wants. Fortunately William isn’t stupid and he will see this reconciliation offer for exactly what it is, Harry will get nowhere with this pathetic attempt.

deciding to bow and scrape to people who didn't earn their position but were born to it.

😂'bow and scrape'...

What I find puzzling is that he felt the need to air his grievances (just for money?

Has he ever said that he regretted trashing his family so publicly?

It's a shame that just getting away & living happily/peacefully with his wife & kids wasn't/isn't enough.

I wonder really how he thought he/they thought they they were going to manage financially or if they even gave it any thought?

How much was Charles paying initially?

Was it 2mil a month for a year or something?

It really is another world!

Good God, talk about a rewrite of history 🤮 Not all old people were racist you know, only the racist ones were racist

Makes a change from forelock tugging .

I think the only person rewriting history is Harry who now excuses his well documented racism as unconscious bias.

Who bows and scrapes? Does anyone in modern day Britain bow and scrape?

Apparently Philip was very upset that Harry refused to do his duty, for him it was very basic, they had to do their duty, in return for the privalge they had, the queen was also big into duty, as is I think Charles and William. The fact Harry decided he wasn’t going to bother was a major issue for Philip.

i think whatever is behind Harry wanting to be a part time royal again flitting between here and the us, is simply about how it benefits them. It’s not about wanting to reconcile or do his duty, it’s about will it improve his image, will they make money from it, can he maybe leverage it in his security fight if he is back to being a working royal.

they are doing it to benefit them,

Prince Phillip's greatest (?) public gaffes

I remember some of them as they occurred (the slitty eyed one being arguably the most famous)

Others were clearly funny in the moment (and the one about Cantonese eating habits is a loose translation of what the Cantonese say about themselves)

Prince Philip: 90 of the Duke of Edinburgh’s most excruciating quotes and ‘jokes’ | The Independent

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@lemonpepperlady

We are currently of a generation in which saying the right thing in the right language is seen as having a higher moral value than actually behaving with dignity and stoicism. This is a tragic generational mistake. Not only does it give us empty role models who spout meaningless word salad like Meghan, but is has also made us less resilient as people.

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Not just behaving with dignity and stoicism in yourself. Actually behaving like a decent person seems to be devalued next to pretending you are one by using the "correct" language. You can be an utter shit to your fellow human beings, but if you say the right things and toe the party line, you have a shield against all criticism.

Interesting that Harry couldn’t be bothered to attend his grandfathers memorial but pops over no problem for his uncle’s memorial

At the same time rumours are circling ( not denied) he wants another slice of royal privilege

I can’t help thinking that knowing his brother would be there (who has been avoiding him and in his eyes standing in his way ) he decided to force a meeting at his uncle’s memorial- so using this for his own ends

He doesn’t like being told no as it was reported when the Queen tried to avoid him - what a nightmare he must be to deal with

Totally agree. Met her when son was in GOSH and he was chosen to present her with a copy of Peter Pan. She glowed from the inside, radiant, and was impeccably turned out and made up. She got down to his level, made him giggle and was a total joy but....not a beauty as such, just a lovely warm person.

Makes a change from forelock tugging .

And fawning.

Let's not forget Philip himself had a pretty traumatic childhood. Exiled from his birth country, separated from his parents, mother in a sanatorium with mental health problems and estranged from her family, no settled home, spending his school holidays with different relatives, losing his sister so tragically. But he didn't believe in navel-gazing. He believed in looking outside yourself, and getting on with life.

He had a distinguished naval career, and could have gone far if the late King hadn't died prematurely.
He was the Queen's 'strength and stay' all those years.
He was one of the first to raise concerns about the natural world, a founder member of what was then the World Wildlife Fund.
As Ranger at Windsor, and at Sandringham, he practised what he preached, planting vast numbers of trees.
He founded the Duke of Edinburgh's Award scheme, to try to teach young people some of the values he lived by.

Think that's a big leap from contacting old friends to being discontented. Don't some people just want him to be discontented? I want him to have a great life, because who the hell would choose to be in the royal family??

I don't think Harry would have done this without Meghan. To be clear: I know some pps have objected to 'blaming the woman', but I genuinely don't think being a woman has anything to do with this - it's Meghan's poisonous personality and the ease with which she seems to be able to cut off her own family members and previously close friends which should have been the red flag

That seems fair, @CoffeeCantata, but as you suggested it's still Harry's lack of insight, intelligence and the rest which enabled her to get away with what many of us believe to have been planned all along

A more sensible man might have avoided the whole thing or at least taken time to understand what they were each taking on, but if it comes to it I doubt that'll stop the palace blaming Meghan for absolutely everything

I agree, which is why I would be furious if he was allowed to start doing royal duties again. He doesn't give a shit about this country or the people, he just wants the money and prestige involved. He allowed Britain to be labelled a racist country by people all over the world. If the family want a private reconciliation, that's up to them but I don't think he has the right to represent the RF in public any more.

We are currently of a generation in which saying the right thing in the right language is seen as having a higher moral value than actually behaving with dignity and stoicism. This is a tragic generational mistake. Not only does it give us empty role models who spout meaningless word salad like Meghan, but is has also made us less resilient as people

A deeply insightful comment, @lemonpepperlady

Quite, lemonpepperlady, but again that would have required insight, maturity and even a little common sense - all things which Harry doesn't appear to possess

She radiated warmth and sincerity regardless of the complexities of her nature. It’s why she was so effortlessly loved by so many people. The idea that M has anything in common with Diana is so absurd it’s no wonder no one but dense Harry believes it.

@Imanontoday clearly it's a figure of speech.

In any case, I'm not sure why you can't see the point I'm making.

People are supportive of a system where people are born to a specific role. Who are then annoyed when those people don't live up to their expectations. And spend thread after thread bemoaning the situation!!

Make it make sense....if you support the concept of monarchy then that's what you get and your opinion about whether Harry 'deserves' to still be in the royal family is contradictory to the whole premise, is it not?