Meghan and Harry spotted out and about - ¡Viva Colombia! Edition (Part 7)

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Welcome to Part 7 of our positive threads, where we explore all things Meghan and Harry. From the causes they champion and their business ventures to Meghan’s (and occasionally Harry’s 😉) fashion moments, there’s a lot to chat about. This is a drama-free space, so let’s keep it upbeat! High five to @queentim for the original inspiration.

Exactly @Thedom. I didn’t post that the palace had been doing this, I posted that Harry had complained of them. There is evidence to prove that the Sussexes plant stories but there isn’t evidence of the palace doing so.

How embarrassing to be found lying to a court of law!
They're shameless.

And this. (What I was referring to above).

https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-secret-lapd-files-planted-stories-queen-elizabeth/

*CoffeeCantata *

Sorry but I think that’s a very strange view. Not to mention rather patronising!

I certainly don’t have posters of H & M on my bedroom wall thanks 😀

Maybe you have a framed photo of Charles and Camilla on your mantelpiece? If you did, how would that be any different exactly?

You honestly feel queasy reading some posts on this thread? A little hyperbolic surely?

You can’t imagine any other reasons for people feeling favourable to H & M other than complicated ones you make up in your own head?

I am not romanticising H and M at all!

But if that is the way you choose to frame my view of them, which is incorrect btw, I fail to see how your view of the RF is any different?

The RF have teams of people working for them who curate their image!

They are as rich as Croesus and make visits to poor countries.

Their accounts aren’t transparent.

They are acutely interested in their popularity ratings and liaise with the press to plant positive stories about them in newspapers.

They spend lots of money on clothes.

Can someone explain to me what’s any different?

Why on earth would someone spend good money on a Duchy of Lancaster tea towel or a Highgrove mug? Or dress up in a Union Jack themed suit and spend all night in a tent in the rain by the side of the road waiting for the King to drive past in a golden carriage?

If that’s not Romanticism I don’t know what is!

And if you don’t personally do those things, please don’t accuse me of them either!

I didn't know this. What awful behaviour.

They are acutely interested in their popularity ratings and liaise with the press to plant positive stories about them in newspapers.

Can you please provide a link or evidence for this @Finistereoverthere

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Maybe you have a framed photo of Charles and Camilla on your mantelpiece? If you did, how would that be any different exactly?

Say what now? Can you explain what you're referring to here? I'd be fascinated!

I can't relate much of what you say to my post. It seems a bit 'The lady doth protest too much.'

If the cap fits, though.

Oh I see now!

Their greed is “special”!

To take Scotland as one example, the fact that the RF own 37,000 hectares (91,000 acres) of rural land, rights to fish for wild salmon and sea trout, rights to naturally occurring gold and silver across the country including virtually all the seabed out to 12 nautical miles (22.2km)

is purely out of the goodness of their hearts!

Thank you! I get it now! 😀

@Finistereoverthere I’ll wait for you to provide evidence that the RF plant positive stories. (Sorry but I won’t accept an extract from Spare!) 😁

I'm glad you understand, @Finistereoverthere .
There are people who are landowners and are multimillionaires. It's not particularly just, but sadly this inequality exists.
Then there are others, who get privvy to information, private information of loved ones. They then sell it.
As the song says "how low can you go?".

Bit of a back track there Coffeecantata

You equate my view of H and M with adolescent romanticism, to quote your words,

I remember being like that when I was 14. I adored my idols, read every word about them, wouldn't hear a word against them, pinned pictures up on my bedroom wall and basically wove a fantasy about them

And when I ask how having a framed photo of Charles and Camilla on your mantelpiece would be any different, you “suddenly” don’t understand?

How convenient!

Framed photo of Charles and Camilla....?

I'm not impressed by your reading comprehension. You still haven't explained how this relates to my post. Where are you getting the framed photo from?

I think there's a large dollop of a) projection and b) defensiveness going on here.

But one of Harry’s main complaints was that his personal stories were leaked to the press by BP to cover up or distract the attention from other more protected family members?

And that when one of the staff was found to have sold a story about his wife, the palace protected the staff member and not Meghan?

Either way, it’s a fairly safe bet that both sides are doing it! We are encouraged to believe that RF aren’t ever involved in this sort of thing, because it’s not apparently been “proven” , but it’s fairly obvious that they are all at it and the closer you lie to the centre of the establishment the higher degree of press protection you have. The inner circle have always enjoyed a higher degree of press protection as they wield more influence and power.

The honours system is not only there to reward good work. It is also intended to engender loyalty.

Either way, it’s a fairly safe bet that both sides are doing it! We are encouraged to believe that RF aren’t ever involved in this sort of thing, because it’s not apparently been “proven” , but it’s fairly obvious that they are all at it

Ah, so you admit there’s no proof @Finistereoverthere and we have to believe it because you say so. Okay.

So "fairly obvious" the RF are doing it doesn't really constitute proof!

Well yes, essentially! Not much different to what you Royalists are saying to me!

You choose to interpret press stories and events one way, while I choose to look at them in a different light.

That’s what it boils down to in the end.

There are so many posters on these threads who ALWAYS interpret the actions of the RF as benign and good, and whatever H & M do as malevolent and selfish, so their opinions can’t exactly be described as objective either.

None of us know for sure where the truth lies. Like in most family disputes, the blame is probably shared. I think Harry should have been more patient and stayed longer to work things out, and the RF should have been less intransigent.

The difference is I don’t start endless negative threads against one of the parties believing I know all of the facts.

And I see so many criticisms being made against H & M and no mention when the RF do exactly the same thing and in those situations, I tend to favour the underdogs.

It is different though. We are able to back up with evidence and links, information that has formed our knowledge, opinions and understanding. Not just from one perspective, source or bias. There is more nuance than your post gives credit for.

None of us know for sure where the truth lies. Like in most family disputes, the blame is probably shared. I think Harry should have been more patient and stayed longer to work things out, and the RF should have been less intransigent.

This is true.

I also don’t think that Harry should complain about something that he is guilty of doing himself, regardless of whether he has justification for the complaint as this is what makes him look hypocritical.

But one of Harry’s main complaints was that his personal stories were leaked to the press by BP to cover up or distract the attention from other more protected family members?

Harry seems to complain about a lot of things. Doesn’t make it true. Especially when he freely admitted that his version of the truth was just that - a “version”

His stories were not leaked to the press by BP. What nonsense. Positive PR was put out, to the extent that it was only reading Spare that most of us found out about some of his unpleasant behaviour.

He complained in Spare about William asking him to be cautious and not rush in to marriage with Meghan. He whinges about that.
However - he said the exact same to his father about Camilla.

Harry and Meghan are very privileged, multimillionaire, titled celebrities.
They have spent most of 4.5 years selling stories and telling lies about the RF for money.
I've never come across a more unlikely pair to be labelled "underdogs".

It is different though. We are able to back up with evidence and links, information that has formed our knowledge, opinions and understanding. Not just from one perspective, source or bias

You see this is what I respectfully disagree with.

I am sure many of you genuinely believe that the quality of your evidence is superior.

But every scrap of information we know about H and M and their circumstances are filtered through a prism of commerce, or the press offices of the RF.

Very little we read, or hear, or see on You Tube videos stands up as evidence! It’s all been shot and edited with a certain perspective in mind.

Press stories are all written with a particular slant and commercial objective.

Ditto magazines, podcasts, discussion progs,

Broadcast news is possibly more objective but we all know there is give and take between Royal press secretaries and news organisations. And I am interested in the relations between certain right wing media organisations, their alleged illegal
activities, and the establishment.

Oprah’s interviews mainly earn money for Oprah! It is said that the interview was intensively edited.

Even Harry’s own written words have been interpreted by a ghost writer and published by a publisher to make as much money as possible.

Everything is essentially spun to generate cash.

And let’s just say that cash tends to win over accuracy every time.

Just a different perspective!

Harry did an audio book of Spare, so please don't blame the ghostwriter.
What he put in that book was his choice entirely.
What they said on Netflix, to Oprah, to Tom Bradby, to The Cut, Variety, etc etc - their choice, their personal income stream, their decision to monetise privacy and disseminate untruths.

"cash tends to win over accuracy" - so true!
Maybe they could have that as a motto over their Coat of Arms.