C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

[IsoldeWagner]

Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

Timing is just everything isn’t it.

I’d forgotten just how much of bleating, weasel victim H was determined to be. Is determined to be.

He just comes across as a deeply unpleasant man. Not man. Liar.

It takes a special kind of fool not to see how his revelations wouldn’t hurt his family or damage his relationship with them.

The Thomas thing is on her. Everything they allegedly rejected him for, they have outshone a thousandfold.

I still think he didn’t quite fit the optics for a world stage. Her world stage.

I’m thinking that the woman bleating about someone being the bigger man to apologise, namely William, is also foolish.

If it has been a punch in the face instead, would she really expect the one with no front teeth, a split lip and a black eye to say sorry?

My arse.

They reap what they sow.

No longer a breath of fresh air but the stench of slurry.

I don't share much of that mindset. I do agree, however, that he must have realised his revelations would do more harm than good so cannot be surprised that even if the door is always open his side, it's firmly shut across the pond.

The documentary, as a whole, shared nothing new but was reasonably balanced I thought and the timeline of events was fair and accurate. I don't think there's any coming back from it. It is sad but unlikely to change any time soon. I feel sorry that the cousins will never have contact.

I never believed that! You had to be living under a rock with no media, no TV at all not to have heard if the Monarchy, Princess Diana, etc.

She has a picture in front of the palace when she was younger, and I read an article about her writing about Princess Kate on her own blog.

From the start she wanted to marry him for fame/money/position and thought Harry was dumb enough to believe that. I guess she wanted to make him believe that she was interested in him as a person, not for his position.

Many people blame Harry for not teaching her the truth, but it takes just a little brains and a google search to know that the Monarchy is all about hierarchy, they were never going to upstage William and Kate. They were never going to be more important than them. England is not the only country with a Monarchy, there are plenty of other examples. So, from the beginning she was planning her exit; therefore, writing a journal of everything that was happening when she moved in.

She knew she could manipulate Harry into doing whatever she wanted since the guy seems not to be smart.

She wanted half in / half out so she could make money and be a Hollywood start, not to be living a quiet life. They also wanted to be sponsored by the RF, that's why half in. Weren't they already applying to copyright Sussex Royal into a lot of merchandise y the time of the announcement?

I agree there was nothing new in the documentary.

It has reinforced my feelings about him in particular. It reminded me of their actions.

Ultimately, they hurt people. He hurt his dying grandparents. His timing may have been unfortunate for some of it but they absolutely intended to cause distrust and upset. And they intended to hurt and damage. And it appeared to be planned for some time.

I don’t see why someone who has made the decision to deliberately hurt people should expect forgiveness and for things to go back to how they were.

He may be hurting. He may be ‘damaged’. I don’t think that gives him the right to lash out with varying recollections.

I don’t think people who set out to hurt others, people who are not entirely truthful and people who are hypocrites should be held up for folk to fawn over either.

I’m sorry he was hurting. I’m sorry that her new lifestyle was not what she expected or what she wanted.

They lost my sympathy when they deliberately set out to hurt others.

Is it worth watching?

I wonder how other RF would have dealt with a similar situation to H&M?

I was happy for them when they married.
I was internally supportive when they said they wanted to move abroad away from the press etc.
But having moved abroad they should have stayed quiet about royal matters, that is when they lost me.
And again naming their daughter by the Queen's family pet name. Culturally that may be OK in the USA, but it didn't fit right in the UK.
I feel sad for Harry and Meghan, they surely can't have wanted what they have brought about.

I feel sadder for their families tbh than I do them. They have brought this about not their families.

The show annoyed me at the end with the talk of William being the bigger person and initiating contact. It’s not like Harry and Meghan have finished yapping. This show was done before the last interview and the possibility of a Meghan book.at this point I’m unsure if Harry even wants a relationship with William or just needs content for the only independent financial success Harry has had being a media whore who will sell William and his family to the highest bidder.

It's their lifestyle now, Harry and Meghan. Their choice to make money from invading people's privacy and monetising victimhood.
Here they are, 4 years on, having "royal" tours, claiming knowledge and expertise, dripping with hypocrisy. It's clear how much they love being royal because that all continues, just their rather self serving version of it.
Talking about "love and kindness" in that speech was actually laughable!

I agree with you/your DH.
Harry said 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets' except the RF said eerrr no! And off they went to do what they wanted anyway, chucking lies out of their pram like toys - I'm surprised they didn't buy a house in the shape of a castle in the US

I hate that narrative too. On the one hand, it grudgingly identifies who the victim is - William - but on the other marks him as a “little man,” ie petty/passive aggressive/nasty if he’s not willing to forgive the person who’s attacked him. It’s victim blaming wrapped in the sheep’s clothing of magnanimity. And for William it’s not just about protecting himself. It’s about protecting Catherine and his children from the vile pair and their online flying monkeys. And, as you say, they haven’t finished their attack.

I normally don't have much time for Paul Burrell, but I liked this phrase about Harry:
"He's drained an ocean of goodwill".

I was happy for them at first but it quickly became clear as we saw more of her that she is ruthlessly ambitious and in her mind had hit the jackpot in terms of fame, position and money. She was wholly unsuitable for the role and couldn’t tolerate the restrictions she felt were imposed upon her, like not being able to exploit her position for free clothing and having to abide by what she saw as stuffy protocol but most people recognise as civilised behaviour (no need to barge through chairs when everyone else knows how to behave and will wait, the utter vulgarity of turning up to a memorial service in £50k of head to toe haute couture Dior!). I don’t think Harry hid the real deal from her, she wasn’t interested in hearing anything negative that would have stood in her way. She would have ignored him anyway, she actually thought she could change things and it would be an improvement. Her arrogance and self aggrandisement know no bounds.

The last few years have not been kind to her face unfortunately. The documentary shows that up quite starkly.

So we found out that stories in the tabloids were obtained by phone hacking - not leaks from the RF.

The phone hacking was historical, the briefing accusations especially Camilla would have been after Leveson

Seen as rivals for good press from the real contenders to the throne and press fed negative stories

Sorry, only just seen this. This bit from your “Tall poppies” post at 14.49 yesterday

They would. It does seem extraordinary, however, to accuse say, Camilla of leaking stories.....in a book in which he leaks so many unverified, cruel and nasty stories about his family in detail and "sparing" no-one.
He obviously doesn't see the hypocrisy.

I watched the second episode and liked the interview of him as a young man talking about the positive relationships he had with his father and brother.

Yes and most people would have had smart phones by this time I think 🤷‍♀️

in the last few days “ sources” are saying that Harry won’t be invited to William’s coronation. Also “ friends of Harry” saying he misses the U.K. and the life he had here . It really is turning into Wallis and Edward 2

It's almost as if.... Harry is leaking and briefing...

WHAAAAAT ????
Surely not .

That was the bit I took from the Oprah interview. They said that others (ie William and Kate) were given roles ahead of them that they felt should have come to them as they were better suited. He seemed to think the line of succession was being followed just to spite them.

Camilla is public enemy number 1 for him. I get that. Of course Charles didn't love Di, but better if they had at least started off trying to make a go of it. It was really unforgiveable what he did to her. Imagine losing your mum at 12 and then watching the woman your dad cheated on her (for decades!) become his wife...and eventually Queen. That's going to screw you up for sure. He's really angry. I feel like he's saying, everyone else has forgotten....but I haven't. He's kind of flying the flag for his mum.

I think Harry could come back all mea culpa and the British public would forgive him because we have that image of him walking behind the coffin. But he's scuppered really because his kids are in America, so he's kind of stuck there I think.