C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

[IsoldeWagner]

Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

They have two more uncles both called James - James Middleton and Pippa’s husband James Matthews.

They have four first cousins so far on the Middleton side.

Louis has been seen playing with Beatrice’s stepson Wolfie, and all of Zara’s brood and Peter’s girls so clearly William’s kids socialize with his cousins and their children.

The Spencer clan don’t have similar ages small kids yet - and the Wales seem to prioritize the children in their socializing. But it was clear when they unveiled the Diana statue that William and his Spencer aunts get along.

Meghan and Harry’s kids are missing out on all those cousin and second cousin relationships. And it’s clear the fault for that lies with their parents. Not their uncle and grandparent.

None of us know if the Spencers and Willam get along. But it can't help relations that William was publicly negative about his own mother.

When?

Imagine being negative about a relative in public.
How shocking and distressing for Harry...oh, wait...

When he berated the BBC for the Bashir interview and asked people to stop using it because it had fueled his mother’s paranoia.

The Sussex supporters seem to think him saying Diana was paranoid towards the end of her life was him being negative about his mother.

It’s just a factual description of how she was feeling and acting in the weeks before she died. Rejecting the police protection officers etc. William connects the lies Bashir told Diana so he could get the interview with how paranoid she felt.

It’s not negative to talk about the actions and attitudes he saw in his own mother - he wasn’t criticizing her - he was criticizing dodgy and dangerous reporting practices.

Yes, if you wind back to about the time Harry was leaving the Army, he spoke very warmly of how William helped him and got him help, and from that they started Heads Together.

It is a great shame Harry did not remember this when Meghan talked of her suicidal feelings, leaving her to flounder (she said she contacted HR, so was up to reaching for help - Harry could have told her the correct Palace department, or reminded her off the Portland's provision)

I think they mean when William asked for the BBC not to show the Bashir interview again, because the techniques deployed contributed to her mental health issues.
Which of course is nowhere as bad as anything Harry and Meghan have done, but for some reason, some people give them a pass.

The Spencer twin cousins attended Williams fund raiser this year.

It means Charles can claim whatever he wants and Diana's voice is silenced.
William also called Diana paranoid.

I do not care about the rest of the Royal Family, but I do care about Diana. The only one who used her position to make a real difference.

Thank you, do remember that. It wasn't negative about Diana at all though was it, from William. Statement of fact about the shameful lies Bashir told by William and accurate.

The truth coming out about Bashir and what he had done made some of Diana's less explicable actions make a lot more sense, IMO.

@IsoldeWagner Just for the Viennetta Connoisseur there is a Biscoff and Neapolitan Viennetta to up the sophistication

Oh my goodness I remember the mint one. We used to love those when I was very young and to see my mother cutting them finely 😁

Not true.
It means that an interview gained by nefarious means ought not to be shown.
Diana's voice is not "silenced". She has many 100s interviews, books and magazine articles written about her. Charles has never, ever tried to shut that down.
To compare this to the outrageous lies of the Sussexes, I find extraordinary.

I haven’t heard Charles calling anything about Diana ! What is he claiming ?

Nothing. He does not talk about her, nor would he even attempt to shut anything down.
These are somewhat wild claims.

@BasiliskStare - I'm from a big family - my mum knew how to slice things finely!
I'm going to have to look for those flavours 😍

It beggars belief that you are having to explain why a 75-year-old HoS might be LC with a son who has dragged him publicly for 4 years. In particular, allowing the accusation that he witnessed his Dad the HoS saying something racist to go unchallenged, while spearheading a campaign against online disinformation.

I can't see how anyone could argue in goid faith that Charles could act any differently.

But there were lots of excuses about why Charles does not see his son Harry, or their grandchildren.
I agree, he has chosen not to. He could, but does not want to see them.

@Nadeed - did you read the posts explaining this?
Have a look at @Rhaidimiddim 's just above yours.
Do you genuinely not understand what's been happening?

As above posts point out: do you have any evidence that Charles has said anything unfavourable publically about Diana since her death?

I really dislike the implication of paranoia as a negative or even shameful emotion. It is common for those who have trauma and has links with PTSD. The treatment of Diana by the press compounded her distrust of even those she loved. It is what Bashir played upon, it would be more surprising if Diana was not paranoid, she had been manipulated and abused.

He didn’t say she was paranoid. He said Bashir fuelled her paranoia ie her unfounded suspicions. He wasn’t saying she had mental health issues

They were very protective of him at the unveiling of the Diana memorial. Sarah, in particulur, moved to head off an attempt at a forced hug from Harry.

@smilesy he was saying that. It is crazy ex wife territory. Diana has often been dismissed by critics as the crazy ex wife.

Good points. Bashir played on her worst fears, and eroded trust she had with the family. This was why she did away with that official protection, which may have contributed to her death.
I saw Earl Spencer talk about it. He never wants the interview to be shown again because of how it damaged his sister. He became very emotional. It was a shocking episode.

Have you actually heard/read William's statement, because it doesn't sound like it. William was probably the person closest to his mother. She leaned on him to a large extent. I think he's more than qualified to make the statement he did.

Harry also agreed that the Bashir interview should never be shown again. Do you think Harry was trying to silence his mother then?