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C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

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IsoldeWagner · 18/08/2024 12:10

Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

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Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:19

Well Charles has cancer so not sure he is fit to travel and he is probably worried that his conversations would end up in a book

Mylovelygreendress · 21/08/2024 17:19

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:17

@Manypaws true. But Charles can't be bothered to see them either.

If you mean the King remember he is having treatment for cancer plus he can’t just hop on a BA flight because - you know- he is the King with a packed schedule.
He will also know that anything he says will be leaked.

Mylovelygreendress · 21/08/2024 17:20

Xpost with @Manypaws !

wordler · 21/08/2024 17:22

My tuppence on ‘the press’

Firstly there is no such entity as ‘the media’ or ‘the press’ in the sense it’s one unified body which works as one. It’s dozens of publications and broadcast stations - with tens of thousands of different editors and journalists working with their own individual biases, pet peeves, political leanings and hobby subjects.

The UK press hasn’t been controllable by the government or establishment bodies like RF for decades - there was a time when all the owners of publications and media companies were all part of the same social class and networks and happy to perform many a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ to keep things quiet for each other. That hasn’t been the case for a long time.

The only time that happens now is in extreme cases where a situation is very delicate for a short period of time - a national security issue, or giving time for police to contact relatives about a death, or covert police action. These things are usually given an embargoed deadline.

Secondly - there’s always a tabloid news cycle with royals and sometimes celebrities and politicians, but mostly royal women, of excessive praise, followed by sneaky insider gossip ‘scoops’ heading towards lots of criticism, followed by a new cycle of praise, followed by lots of criticism, followed by praise.

It’s just a way to keep the pages full of ‘new’ angles which is really a way to use lots of photos which drive sales.

They only really escape that type of coverage when either they rise to national treasure status - late Queen, David Attenborough, Judy Dench etc - or fall to national villain status - Prince Andrew.

Harry and Meghan would have been alternately praised as much as they were criticized if they’d stuck it out. There would probably have been a lot of alternate cycles with William and Kate - so one is up while the other is down and vice versa.

Unfortunately they’ve tried to control the negative side of the coverage too much which means they are now straying into the permanent villain category.

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:23

@Manypaws he couldn't be bothered to travel there before his cancer. And he gave Harry 30 minutes when Harry travelled over to the UK. He is also flying to Germany this week. And he controls his schedule.

I don't care about a bunch of rich people. But it is clear neither side are bothered about a relationship.

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:23

Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:19

Well Charles has cancer so not sure he is fit to travel and he is probably worried that his conversations would end up in a book

Anything Charles says will be sold. Twisted, manipulated. Then sold in a book, magazine or chat show.
That's the Sussexes modus vivendi $$$$

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Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:23

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:17

@Manypaws true. But Charles can't be bothered to see them either.

Remember it's not all just about Charles, William and Kate, so why aren't the rest of the close family not flying over?

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:24

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:23

@Manypaws he couldn't be bothered to travel there before his cancer. And he gave Harry 30 minutes when Harry travelled over to the UK. He is also flying to Germany this week. And he controls his schedule.

I don't care about a bunch of rich people. But it is clear neither side are bothered about a relationship.

30 minutes because he was having chemo.
He was immuno suppressed and vulnerable to infection.

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Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:24

What is being rich got to do with it?

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:25

Harry is a multimillionaire with not much to do.
The rest of his family have work and responsibilities or are having treatment for cancer.

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Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:26

Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:23

Remember it's not all just about Charles, William and Kate, so why aren't the rest of the close family not flying over?

The York sisters have flown to the US to visit.

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:26

Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:23

Remember it's not all just about Charles, William and Kate, so why aren't the rest of the close family not flying over?

All those Spencers. The Tindalls, the Snowdons. The Yorks.....

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IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:26

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:26

The York sisters have flown to the US to visit.

So. Friendly with the Piers Morgan friends... interesting.

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Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:27

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:24

30 minutes because he was having chemo.
He was immuno suppressed and vulnerable to infection.

The reason why keeps changing.
Admit it. Charles is simply not interested. A lot of men are not interested in their grandchildren until they are a bit older.

Mylovelygreendress · 21/08/2024 17:27

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:26

The York sisters have flown to the US to visit.

I know Eugenie did but I need a link for Beatrice as google isn’t helping 🤷‍♀️

Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:27

@IsoldeWagner they are on whatsup apparently

Manypaws · 21/08/2024 17:28

Ah we are getting the sweeping generalisation about men now

smilesy · 21/08/2024 17:28

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:17

@Manypaws true. But Charles can't be bothered to see them either.

When Harry last came over for the Invictus church ceremony, he was offered lodgings at St James’ Palace so that he could meet with his father (Clarence House is opposite At James). He declined and stayed in a hotel because apparently, St James’ wasn’t secure enough for him. Rumour has it that he stayed in a hotel because he was filming his last ITV interview.

The King has not travelled to visit his son in the US because firstly, he is being treated for cancer and secondly, it would be difficult for him to go to the States without making it an official State visit, with all the planning and security that would entail

eta the same would have applied when he was still Prince of Wales

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:30

Mylovelygreendress · 21/08/2024 17:27

I know Eugenie did but I need a link for Beatrice as google isn’t helping 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I have read that Beatrice is not friends with him anymore, but I'm not sure how true that is.

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Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:31

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:26

All those Spencers. The Tindalls, the Snowdons. The Yorks.....

The warm greeting shows he is in contact with the Spencers.
They have lots of cousins on both sides of the family. They will keep closer contact with who they get along with. The Snowdens are pretty remote in their family tree amongst all the relatives on Harry's mum and dad side of the family and Meghan's family.
But why do you care who he is close to? Why does it matter?

IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:32

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:27

The reason why keeps changing.
Admit it. Charles is simply not interested. A lot of men are not interested in their grandchildren until they are a bit older.

Not true. Many men are very interested in their grandchildren.
Charles seems very interested in the Wales children. Also his step grandchildren who he meets a lot, they were recently at Balmoral.

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IsoldeWagner · 21/08/2024 17:32

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:31

The warm greeting shows he is in contact with the Spencers.
They have lots of cousins on both sides of the family. They will keep closer contact with who they get along with. The Snowdens are pretty remote in their family tree amongst all the relatives on Harry's mum and dad side of the family and Meghan's family.
But why do you care who he is close to? Why does it matter?

I don't care. I'm responding to your statements.
Why do you care?

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Gorgonemilezola · 21/08/2024 17:34

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:31

The warm greeting shows he is in contact with the Spencers.
They have lots of cousins on both sides of the family. They will keep closer contact with who they get along with. The Snowdens are pretty remote in their family tree amongst all the relatives on Harry's mum and dad side of the family and Meghan's family.
But why do you care who he is close to? Why does it matter?

The warm greeting was probs for the cameras. How do you know how often Harry sees his family?

Mylovelygreendress · 21/08/2024 17:34

Ah, that old favourite- “ why do you care “

Nadeed · 21/08/2024 17:34

@smilesy Harry and Charles did not meet when Harry came to London due to Charles full schedule. I have no idea if Charles offered Harry lodgings, but since he was not meeting with Charles he may have decided to stay with friends, instead of being surrounded by staff.

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