C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

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Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

OK, it’s like trying to sieve water on this thread.

We can dislike them as much as we like, but if tens of millions of people buy American Riviera Orchard products or sign up to a Sussex YouTube channel or Meghan re-marries herself to an up-and-coming Democrat, with a view to getting her own nomination, then our views won’t be worth much.

Americans are very keen on anything connected to history or royalty. Who said exactly what to whom will probably fade from people’s minds.

It would have been a better move if she’d conducted the entire visit in Spanish seeing as she’s ‘fluent’ and it’s a Spanish speaking country. You don’t see foreign celebrities fluent in English conducting interviews in their native language when in an English speaking country!

Exactly this.

On a previous note about William being the bigger person and extending an olive branch? This is said frequently.

I wonder why that sentiment isn’t extended to Meghan ‘forgiving’ her father?

Surely talking to the press and selling your soul for the dollar is something they have in common?

Operative word being ‘if’.

There’s another thread on here about manifesting. If she manifests hard enough she might get all those things you’ve listed. Let’s hope she’s started because that’s a lot of high goals there.

I think there is a difference between wanting to watch them because you like them and watching them in a car crash way.

Unfortunately, memories are long and I don’t think everyone will forget who said what and when to who.

I imagine the American audience may be more forgiving than the UK but if they love all things royal then they won’t forget this pair doing their best to grift and lie their way into people’s hearts.

I missed that! Are you saying she retold that washing up liquid story again! Surely not or have I misread your post!

'Americans are very keen on anything connected to history or royalty.'

They are - but Harry and Meghan aren't connected to anything historical and they're not royalty in the way the King and Queen, William and Kate are royalty. They don't have anything to do with the pageantry, history, spectacle of the Royal family, you won't see them at trooping the colour, the Cenotaph in November, the King's Christmas broadcast, Royal Ascot etc etc etc.

Their royal connection is becoming increasingly tenuous, so interest in them from Americans who are keen on history and royalty will wane.

Would they be that keen on having someone in office, or married to someone in office, who insisted on keeping and using royal titles?

Also, they're the worst aspects of royalty; for them it's about titles, privilege, opportunities, money, manipulation.
Not about representing the Sovereign or on the request of the Foreign Office, or for service and genuine philanthropy.

She's only got about half a million Instagram followers for ARO.

What makes you think anywhere close to 'tens of millions' of people would buy products from her company, if and when it ever launches?

They've had over 4 years to get themselves established in California. In those 4 years, memories of their royal life have faded. As I said, Harry will always be the son of a King and the Sainted Diana. However, Meghan was only royal for such a brief time.Are you really saying they are going to make a wild success out of their rapidly diminishing royal links, having failed to do so thus far?

Her messages have no particular interest or value for me, but clearly they do to others or she wouldn’t be speaking in front of a packed auditorium in Columbia.

The auditorium was not packed, looked like there was 50 people there and it is said most of those were aides.

Would an ambitious Democrat marry Meghan? With her reputation?!

She did. In a bit of Spanish

@IcedPurple

“She's only got about half a million Instagram followers for ARO.”

And falling …..

OK, it’s like trying to sieve water on this thread.

I like to think of it more as filtering pish.

I see that this has been seconded by @GorgeousTulips further down page 16 and I will agree with you both.

I haven't seen any of their marriage on The Crown, just a few minutes of Youtube, practising their marriage vows. I lived through the real thing. It's not quite nice to speculate where a marriage went wrong but I can't help doing it, and no doubt loads of people do, about their own marriages or those of friends and family. Am I right to remember that Diana threw herself down the stairs fairly early on, when she was expecting William? I always wonder if royal personages go to marriage guidance counsellors.

The utter lack of reaction when Charles and Kate were named as the alleged racists suggests that no one takes Harry or Meghan’s statements or accusations at all seriously any more. I have never seen a news story fizzle out faster

I was surprised myself, @BadSkiingMum, and half thought all those who stampeded to insist the Oprah tales were "proof" of the RF's racism would do a repeat, but perhaps - having been made to look silly after Harry's retraction - they preferred not to go there again?

Not sure about the Colombians valuing and being interested in what Meghan has to say though. It always seemed to me that their presence was more about providing the VP with a cloak of respectability, and having invited her they could hardly keep her away from the microphones or the camera lenses which fascinate her so much

By articulate I mean that she is good with words, she is good at sounding like there is depth and content in what she is saying. When you look at the detail of what she is saying though it is lacking in knowledge and application of that knowledge.

@smilesy - wasnt that story debunked by the company?

@BadSkiingMum
“or Meghan re-marries herself to an up-and-coming Democrat, with a view to getting her own nomination, then our views won’t be worth much.”

Why are you talking about remarriage , I thought they were blissfully happy ??
IF they divorce , I am not sure there will many billionaires lining up to marry a middle aged woman with a reputation for bullying and playing fast and loose with the truth and who seems unable to sustain friendships.

articulate: the ability to speak fluently and coherently (my emphasis)

coherently: in a logical and consistent way

She is not articulate. She is also not good with words.

Apparently, according to what pp have said 🤷‍♀️

Happy to agree to disagree.

I find what she says, and I admit I haven't listened to her a lot, to be coherent and consistent etc, it just doesn't have depth or content or heft when you really think about what she is saying.

I find her speeches the embodiment of their failings with Archwell and Sussex Royal and ARO etc, sound great but have no substance.

Or as my Granny would say, all mouth and no trousers.

My Nan was more all fur coat and nae drawers.

i think she put ls things across well but there is very little substance to it all if you poke deeper.

She has got public speaking down to a fine art but needs to find something to actually say.

Preferably something that can’t be construed as hypocritical if you compare it to their actions.