C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

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Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

I'm sure Meghan will go further in her public speaking career. I mean Trump is running for President again. Anything is possible in life.

But Archie could have been Earl of Dumbarton and Lili could have been Lady but H and M ( via Scobie) announced that their DC wouldn’t have titles .
As someone else said they assumed that HM would have issued Letters Patent as she did with the then Cambridge children .

You're right, @Mylovelygreendress . Scobie announced, with a degree of self righteousness that Archie wouldn't have a title at all.
I think they didn't want the courtesy titles of a Duke's son, but were waiting for the "Prince" title. The one they said he couldn't have because of racism in the RF.

That was a nasty , spiteful move on their part .

Skiing, I thought your post was interesting and I largely agree, with the exception of M being articulate.

You can see from the transcripts of her various interventions that she strings together a lot of sound-bitey, pre-prepared spiels which never clearly express very much and, in the case of an interview, never actually answer the question.

I think the DM put up a transcript of her talk in Colombia where she began in Spanish… (complete with a few basic language mistakes like using «estar» where it should have been « ser »), then she launched into a very long stream of mumbo jumbo using the same words and formulations she always uses. It went on and on, but what was she actually saying?

Her delivery relies heavily on her dulcet tones, meaningful pauses, and buttering up of the audience. That comes from her acting, I’m sure, and I won’t take that away from her. She has that bit nailed. What she really needs to do is to learn how to have good ideas and to express them clearly.

You can get a fair way being articulate but at some point you need content. The fact that Meghan is still wheeling out the letter story indicates to me that she doesn't have much to contribute in the wider scheme of things. To achieve things you need vision and drive and knowledge and the practical ability to get things done. I think she has drive and some vision but the knowledge and implementation parts are missing.

If she would bring others on board for those bits and listen to them she could achieve far more and be taken seriously. No one has every skill needed, there is no shame is getting help in those areas you are lacking to achieve your goals.

Harry on the other hand, I agree with a PP that he is convinced being a Prince is all he needs and I don't see that changing anytime soon. If Megan gets her act together he will fade more and more into the background, and maybe that is where he will finally be happy.

Anyone else think she ran off the stage to adjust the air con to avoid speaking off script? The VP had been speaking about something that sounded like water poverty and M nodded and smiled through it. When she was handed the mic by the VP, she ran off. When she returned, the lady sitting next to her then spoke, so M didn't take her turn.

I was totally for them when they got married. Was very happy for Harry and I looked forward to, and watched, the wedding. Admittedly I had a couple of mild ?? about Meghan (zero to do with race) but I was totally supportive. I even thought good for them when they left and believed the reports that they would soon become billionaires in their own right. Their behaviour over the last few years has completely changed my view and support of them. They’re a couple of complete and utter numpties.

I can’t watch the programme as I don’t have a tv licence but I’ll try and get some highlights on YouTube.

Ah, I wondered what that bit of nonsense was about. Yes I can totally believe she was diverting attention from herself (for a change) if she thought she might have to contribute unscripted in Spanish lol.

@MrsLeonFarrell I think she has drive and some vision but the knowledge and implementation parts are missing.

I think the drive and vision is for her to be regarded as a saviour and leader, not the person that deals with the fine details and grassroots action. I'm not saying there aren't any genuine good intentions somewhere deep down, but it's all a bit Miss World wanting to end hunger and bring about world peace. It's easy to be a "philanthropist" when you are not giving away your own money, and a "humanitarian" when you can live a life of unfathomable (to most) luxury whilst preaching at everyone else about what they should be doing.

Also, it's an interesting claim being a "humanitarian and philanthropist" and talking about "love and kindness" when that's clearly and demonstrably not how you lead your life.

She never wanted to live in those places. I firmly believe there was only one place she had her mind on and that was California.

It's interesting, because just after they were married I saw one of those blind gossip items which claimed they were looking at properties in California. I thought it was nonsense! She was becoming a UK citizen, they would have an apartment in KP plus a country home, they were official working royals. They were going to do a tour etc.
Just shows you.

You love them? Lol why? They’re a global joke, not just in the U.K. but in the US and other countries (the Colombian SM are less than impressed). People laugh at them because they’re just so ridiculous, so cringey, so awkward whilst all the time they’re thinking they’re awesome.

Of course it’s your choice to love them. 🤷‍♀️

When she’s not thinking she’s Diana incarnate she’s thinking she’s Eva Peron.

She is and always has been a strong advocate for women's rights and the strength of women. Speaking in Spanish at the beginning of her speech in Colombia was a good move

However, she doesn't seem to realise she had the best possible rôle model in her Grandmother-in-law!

I think Catherine did try very hard with her, to show welcoming friendship as shown in early photographs of the two of them together, but it was always going to be rebuffed.
So many experienced staff have left, that surely must mean working for the Sussexes is not a happy experience.

Is there a video anywhere?

I haven't seen the doc but am reading through this thread with great interest. I get that Charles cheated on Diana and its no excuse but he cheated on her with a woman who he had dated previously and he cheated only with her. Diana if I recall had numerous affairs so she wasn't exactly the saint that she is made out to be either. Charles and Di were totally unsuited as a couple, however wasn't it said that actually in her last few years they had actually gotten on better and were friends?

Like many people I take the Blind items with a pinch of salt but I do find there is often a grain of truth .

I thought it was ridiculous at the time. Just not what they would do. But perhaps that was the plan from early on.

Of course Charles didn't love Di, but better if they had at least started off trying to make a go of it

He did really try if you look at early photos. I think he was fond of her in a paternal kind of way, never "in love" (whatever that means!) but then her behaviour antagonised him.

Sad for both of them.

Often with the blinds or any opinion, there is a certain amount of educated guesswork going on. Anyone who had a little inside knowledge of the couple might well have seen a move to California coming, even without concrete evidence 🤷‍♀️

Finally, the positive welcome that they have just received in Columbia shows that there is an appetite for whatever it is that they are offering. Meghan is still highly articulate and comes across very well on stage; Harry not so much and I think his attraction will fade very rapidly as he begins to age.

I disagree. The 'positive welcome' they got in Colombia was limited to a tiny circle of people. The VP will have organised this trip for her own reasons.

I don't think Meghan is articulate at all. It's all word salad, interspersed with talking about herself a lot. There's no substance. And while I agree that Harry will become more irrelevant as he ages, the same is very much true for her too. It's already happening. She has nothing unique that will keep her relevant into her 50s and beyond. On the other hand, Harry is a prince by birth, while she was only royal for about 5 minutes. He remains the main reason she is famous.

Human beings have always loved ceremony and whether it’s a monarch conferring knighthoods, a mayor opening a community centre or a headteacher handing out certificates in a school assembly, most human groups have occasions where a figurehead or guest of honour is required. So perhaps there is still a role for them to play?

If only they'd been working members of an actual royal family eh?

I think that’s true.

I don't think Meghan is articulate at all. It's all word salad, interspersed with talking about herself a lot

I agree. I think that people often equate the ability to speak in public and the confidence to do so, with being articulate, partly because people would feel unable to do it themselves. I am one of those who has no problem standing up and speaking in front of lots of people, so I am less impressed and more inclined to look at the actual content than just the way it is delivered. And with Meghan, content is sadly lacking.

Also it is very easy to stand up and talk about important issues and sound convincing (I could do that no problem), it is quite another to actually follow through with action (there is no way I could do that 😂😂😂)