C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

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Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

Pretty certain she'd lose her titles on remarriage.

Have never been able to buy the idea of President Mountbatten- Windsor (or President Duchess Meghan of Sussex) and First Gentleman HRH Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex.

Not just because of the excruciating potential monikers!

I don’t know about remarriage and titles.

I’m not sure that would suit if she lost them but there would still be the important royal link with the kids?

I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that of course but stranger things have happened.

When Margaret and Snowdon divorced, he retained his earldom as it was separately given to him by QEII. Fergie lost her HRH but she and obviously Diana never remarried. I'm pretty certain Meghan would keep Meghan, DoS until remarriage but then lose it as she only has it because of Harry, also being the reason why Lili and Archie would retain theirs.

Very happy to be corrected if somene knows better! Also, certainly not wishing this on them, purely hypothetical and re any bid for office.

I won't be watching, and have not watched any other programmes about them. I don't understand why anyone is giving them airtime. They are spoilt whinging liars and nobody calls them to account, so why does anyone need to see more of this?

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-review-after-meghan-given-title-of-divorced-woman-11913741

Apparently there a certain format to use upon divorce of spouse has a title in RF -name comma title - but looks like they've been using that from the off anyway.

They will lose the titles if Harry becomes a USA citizen as Harry would have to renounce them and they are his titles - She is actually Princess Henry not Princess Meghan. The kids won't as the treaty that said those born with them have to give them up was never ratified

Surely the Monarch could issue Letters Patent or Parliament could pass an Act ?
Not 100% sure but I suspect lessons were learned after Sarah’s continued use of her title to make money .

I disagree. She comes over as showy, fake and insincere.

Yes, @Uricon2 you're right. The Earl and Countess of Snowdon are divorced, she is Serena, Countess of Snowdon unless she remarries.
Technically Meghan uses the divorcee version of her name, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. (With the first name).
Sarah became Sarah, Duchess of York (instead of HRH The Duchess of York) in the same way.

The auditorium was not packed, looked like there was 50 people there and it is said most of those were aides.

Apparently H&M had 22 aides with them.

Meghan is an attractive woman with superficial confidence and a pleasant speaking voice. As an actress, she's used to speaking on cue. So it's hardly surprising that on a very surface level, she comes off as a good speaker. However, scratch that surface and you'll quickly find that there's no there there.

Sarah and Meghan's titles are courtesy titles only. They hold no legal significance, and are basically the equivalent of a married name. That's why they get to keep them in the event of divorce, but would lose them should they remarry.

I think as far as the royals are concerned, their inability to use the HRH styling is key, as that marks them out as part of the royal 'brand'. That's why Diana was so aggrieved to lose it.

Uricon2

Pretty certain she'd lose her titles on remarriage.

I'd have thought so.
I wonder what would happen if Harry remarried even if Meghan didn't - surely his new wife would have a claim to the titles?

I wonder what would happen if Harry remarried even if Meghan didn't - surely his new wife would have a claim to the titles?

Is that why there is a different format post divorce - so new wife would be styled differently to ex?

The new wife would be The Duchess of Sussex, theoretically HRH The Duchess of Sussex.

Meghan would be Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.

The only way they could hope to even try for millions of sales would be to sell through Walmart or similar.

I can't see Meghan wanting to be a Walmart Duchess.

Half a million on insta?

Well that explains why Mollie Mae's split up with Tommy got higher billing in the media - she has 7 million.

Even if you made the case that the Sussexes interrupted their SM presence and it should be much higher, they still have quite a way to go to match the top flight influencers. Let alone the Wales 17m or so.

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We can dislike them as much as we like, but if tens of millions of people buy American Riviera Orchard products or sign up to a Sussex YouTube channel or Meghan re-marries herself to an up-and-coming Democrat, with a view to getting her own nomination, then our views won’t be worth much.

I think the fundamental problem is that they are masters of The Big Launch, but never seem to follow up. There are so many initiatives and ideas which seem to have died a death, or are on a very distant back-burner.

The reason is simple (I think): M & H love the fuss, the attention, the speeches, the launch events and photo-opps, but when it comes to the detail, the long, hard slog and actually putting in the level of work, or management required, they cannot be bothered. People have theorised about ADHD etc etc, but whatever the cause, they are just not following through on their initiatives.

I think they grossly underestimate what is required. As pps have often pointed out on here, Gwyneth Paltrow and Martha Stewart put in years and years of work on their businesses. And they both seem to have had a sincere passion about what they were doing - which, with the best will in the world, I don't think Meghan has. She just wants to jump straight into being a lifestyle guru etc etc.

They need to focus! But if they're going on jolly jaunts every couple of months...don't expect anything to get done in the other areas - especially if they keep losing key staff members. I don't think Meghan would ever want to get down to the necessary hard and unglamorour graft out of the spotlight, and perhaps, to be honest, she really can't afford to be out of the public eye for too long.

This reminds me...if I ever met them, I'd love to get a map of the UK out and ask them both to point to Sussex...

I often feel sorry for the inhabitants of that blameless county. What did they do to deserve this?

She’s already Walmart Wallis.

I think @Uricon2 is talking about Princess Margaret and the 1st Earl of Snowdon Antony Armstrong-Jones.

Good Lord does that woman not possess an embarrassment gene.

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Ah, right! Thanks

Diana lost her HRH and William was furious saying he would restore it as soon as he could.

In my humble opinion on the subject of Diana. I don't care how she behaved as the marriage went on. The young woman at 19 was like a lamb to the slaughter. An arranged marriage to a man who was in love with someone else. Whatever love is. She was used as a vessel to breed a good heir and spare. She wasn't allowed another child because of her husbands environmental principles. I can totally understand her problems with mental health and lack of confidence. Her confidence grew with age.
Markle has tried to emulate this as though she was a lamb to the slaughter.
No way a woman in her late thirties who grew up in Hollywood: a divorcee.
Nothing at all like the shy almost child who was used. Using Diana like they did really was one of the Royal Families low points.

If H and M really wanted to stick it into King Charles they could become figureheads for PETAs campaign against the use of Bearskin on his guards hats.

I think she's just verbose. She keeps reiterating the same bull and it still doesn't make any coherent or logical sense.

I think it is just a certain American way of speaking. But she is American.