C5 Documentary: Harry and Meghan, Rise and Fall

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Anyone watching this? It's on My5. I thought the first episode was interesting. I was reminded of how popular they were and how much support they got.

@Puzzledandpissedoff ... I'm not even sure I believe she asked this question to be honest. I think MM really has it in for Kate, and KC too for that matter so wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was ANOTHER lie

I have to say I was surprised when the King and the Princess were “named” as the racists. I can’t imagine why they would be having a conversation with Harry about any future children he might have and no one else said
anything. It just seemed a bit convenient shall we say, particularly with regard to it being Catherine who Meghan clearly dislikes for whatever reason 🤷‍♀️

Harry himself referred to the issue of the colour of any children - commenting about her colouring having a positive impact on his ginger genes.

Actually @IsoldeWagner it was the opposite. On Colbert he said he was worried his ginger genes would not stand up to her genes, and expressed relief that they had won out in Lily. And in Netflix, Archie’s looks (like Meghan’s) were given a dismissive mention, then he and M waxed lyrical about Lily’s blonde hair and blue eyes like Diana. Basically he is relieved his child looks Caucasian.

I had something similar.

The concern was real. But only because they were a family who burned really easily in the sun.

I wonder if he may have made seem something other than it was. Most other things are an interesting version of events.

It isn’t a leap to think he wasn’t entirely truthful about this to her too.

Basically he is relieved his child looks Caucasian.

How nice. But not a surprise. He has form.

“Blonde hair and blue eyes, like Diana”. Oh dear, poor Lili. Diana reincarnated…

Placemarking as 3/4 way through part two and I want to read all your comments but need to sleep.

You can use the bookmark facility

extremely vivacious outshiner of the Queen

I've taken an unreasonable shine to those two words 'extremely vivacious'.

So was I, smilesy; nevertheless it happened, and I'll believe to my dying day that the reason Scobie's ceased almost all of his royal reporting is that they engaged lawyers to frighten him sh1tless

Oh my goodness. That's terrible! They had the nerve to call others in the family racist!
Not just liars, but a particularly vile form.

Cursed with the name Princess Lilibet Diana. What a millstone. Poor child.

Indeed. He's shown us who he is.

@IsoldeWagner Harry did EXACTLY what he accused his family of doing. Doria would have every reason to treat his words as the sort of “subconscious bias” he accused the RF of having. It’s utterly disgusting that the media hasn’t pointed this out on their front pages, but once again, where are the journalists?

I don't know. Yet there are fools who claim that the RF "control the press"! Extraordinary.
The level of hypocrisy, deceit and cruelty really is appalling.

When The King was Prince Charles they wouldn't have been entitled to a title. As soon as he became King they were able to be given Prince and Princess. It's all in the etiquette of line of succession.

But Harry would have known that. HE would have known his children would get the Prince and Princess titles upon Charles becoming king. So why did he allow his wife to think they weren't getting titles under QEII because of their skin colour? I think Meghan knew full well what the deal was with the letters patent that applied to her children. She was just pissed off that Harry's children hadn't been issued with the same letters parent as William's children (as the children of the future king), so decided she was being treated with racism, rather than that she was being treated as any other royal in her circumstances would be treated. And of course Oprah was too bad a journalist to actually question Meghan or do her own basic research on the matter, and wanted the sensational racism bombshell to sell her interview. It's no wonder it has since disappeared from the internet.

I had sympathy for Thomas Markle. He did an interview with GMB and dare I bring his name up - Piers Morgan - he came across very reasonable.
I found it quite nasty that Harry had rung him ordering him about yet had never met him.
And when talking about racism TM said,"Well I never dressed as a Nazi.".
Then of course who got blamed for the grown man's choice to dress is Nazi uniform for fun.

Yes, I know that. It's all about the letters patent.
H&M claimed that Archie wouldn't get a title because of his colour "concerns and discussions" (Meghan).
Archie and Lilibet are Prince and Princess.
So...how do H&M explain that their children wouldn't be titled because of racism, but they clearly are.
More examples of the Sussexes lying.

This thread went a bit peculiar in the middle!

I have now watched both episodes and enjoyed it - it seemed quite well balanced and summarised a lot of complicated events quite clearly.

A few final thoughts:

Even at the time of the wedding I thought it a little strange that Meghan appeared to have no close female friends from her childhood and upbringing, certainly no one whom she wished to invite to the wedding. It shows a degree of concern for image control that does not speak well to her loyalty or indeed character. Childhood friends often know us very well indeed and yet Meghan seems to have been willing to burn bridges at multiple points in her life.

The utter lack of reaction when Charles and Kate were named as the alleged racists suggests that no one takes Harry or Meghan’s statements or accusations at all seriously any more. I have never seen a news story fizzle out faster.

As per my first post, I suspect that Meghan will leave Harry at some point (with a more desirable marriage waiting in the wings) and she may well take a leaf out of Katie Holmes’ book in using the differing state laws in the USA to execute a surprise manoeuvre.

Finally, the positive welcome that they have just received in Columbia shows that there is an appetite for whatever it is that they are offering. Meghan is still highly articulate and comes across very well on stage; Harry not so much and I think his attraction will fade very rapidly as he begins to age. Human beings have always loved ceremony and whether it’s a monarch conferring knighthoods, a mayor opening a community centre or a headteacher handing out certificates in a school assembly, most human groups have occasions where a figurehead or guest of honour is required. So perhaps there is still a role for them to play?

Interesting points, @BadSkiingMum , but what can Harry be a figurehead for?
I think Meghan has some wit and ability. She can hustle. Harry? He'd need to dig deep to get past his current mindset and belief that being a Prince is enough for a career.

I don’t agree that Meghan is highly articulate or comes across well. She talks complete gobbledygook and the content of what she says remains broadly the same whatever the occasion. I think people will really start to resent the pair of them. It’s not a good look to bring in two very privileged members of a RF that doesn’t speak to them at tax payers expense in poor , disadvantaged countries. They have nothing to contribute apart from Meghans overpriced and badly fitting clothes .

I am trying to look at this objectively rather than from a lens of my own like, dislike or interests.

Her messages have no particular interest or value for me, but clearly they do to others or she wouldn’t be speaking in front of a packed auditorium in Columbia.

In terms of being articulate, any objective observer can see that her vocabulary, fluency and ability to connect with an audience are way beyond that of Harry. Agreed, her content is on a very narrow set of themes, but perhaps that will grow as she gains more life experience.

It is quite possible to not admire someone (and I certainly don’t admire Meghan!) but recognise that they might achieve further success in the world on the basis of their abilities.

The USA is a huge country and a huge marketplace for goods and services. It really is a very small percentage of the population who need to ‘buy’ them in order to make themselves hugely successful. See Goop as a case in point!