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H & M announce a visit to Colombia

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ShamedBySiri · 01/08/2024 17:09

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle announce they will visit Colombia

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Another country on the "Don't travel" list.

"But the UK and US governments have both issued security alerts over travelling to Colombia amid fears over crime, terrorism, civil unrest and kidnapping - and Harry's decision to visit comes amid his ongoing battle for his security when in Britain.
The UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office 'advises against all but essential travel to parts of Colombia'. And the US Department of State issued a travel advisory for Colombia stating: 'Reconsider travel due to crime and terrorism. Exercise increased caution due to civil unrest and kidnapping. Some areas have increased risk.'"

Perhaps he thinks this is the way to get his security reconsidered? Personally I'd say the opposite.
If he still had UK security I'd expect them to do a risk assessment and say "NO".
Why should security personnel be put at risk by being required to travel to these dangerous destinations.

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Rhaidimiddim · 05/08/2024 17:30

BigWillyLittleTodger · 05/08/2024 17:26

No idea! we are all waiting expectantly for @AvrielFinch to provide links confirming this.

But she's very busy ATM. Having failed to argue that the RF never allow their senior member to have inpatient case for mental health problems, she's now trying to argue that the Duchess of Kent - whom she never heard of until this thread - was not a Senior Royal

ShamedBySiri · 05/08/2024 17:31

Not to mention their daughter Lady Helen Taylor (née Windsor) who was often in the news in the 80's and early 90's.
Photographed sunbathing topless during a holiday in Greece iirc she earned the nickname "Lady Melons" so I think it's fair to say she had her (un)fair share of press intrusion. As she developed an elegant fashion style she became an ambassador for Armani for about ten years up to 2009.

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LaMarschallin · 05/08/2024 17:31

One royal having in patient treatment in a time where it would not be world wide news isn't exactly setting a precedent the lady in question is in her 90s it's a different world these days

Yes, it is a different world.
As we keep being reminded, mental health is much less of a taboo subject these days. A prominent member of the RF having inpatient treatment for depression back then would have come with, sadly, a hefty dose of stigma.
And she was prominent in those days. Obviously, with time passing and the distance from the throne decreasing, she is less so these days.
Exactly as H&M will age and become even less important. They'll be a footnote in history at best.

ShamedBySiri · 05/08/2024 17:33

(By "their" daughter I am, of course referring to the daughter of the Kents, but everyone else here will know that.)

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OlympicWomen · 05/08/2024 17:34

There would have been no stigma for Meghan because her treatment and care would have been completely confidential. She could have explained she was exhausted by the pregnancy and the engagements she had done. If she went off the radar for a little while, no-one would have bothered.
It's utterly absurd to claim that the circumstances were as suggested on Oprah.

MrsFinkelstein · 05/08/2024 17:51

Princess Margaret sought and received mental health care after a reported "nervous breakdown".
If the Queen was happy for her sister to seek mental health treatment I can't see why she's have an issue with one of her grandchildrens wife getting the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/09/princessmargaret.monarchy

A lifetime dogged by ill-health

After more than 50 years of heavy smoking and drinking, Princess Margaret's final years were dogged with ill health. The stroke she suffered yesterday afternoon, a day before she died, was her third since 1998.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/09/princessmargaret.monarchy

Mylovelygreendress · 05/08/2024 18:09

AvrielFinch · 05/08/2024 17:24

She really was not well known. I am older. She was one of those who stood on the balcony when there was masses of minor Royals. I have looked her up and she is married to the Grandson of George. There were 22 grandchildren. She is the equivalent of whoever marries Harry and Meghan's child. Very minor Royal. And now days there are only 5 grandchildren, back then there were 22.
She married Queen Elizabeth's cousin Edward.
Katharine, Duchess of Kent is one royal you may not have heard of. Married to Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent since 1961, the Duchess of Kent has kept a very low profile in recent years.

I am in my late 60s . The DoK was well known . Her huge wedding was attended by Royalty from overseas as well as the U.K. . Princess Anne was a bridesmaid .
She and her husband undertook hundreds of Royal engagements every year until she stepped back from Royal life in the 1990s and became a music teacher .
Have you found the link yet saying The Queen wouldn’t allow Meghan to have inpatient treatment?
While you are looking maybe check out the ARO situation? She appears to be losing thousands of followers on Instagram.

BunnyLake · 05/08/2024 18:10

AvrielFinch · 05/08/2024 17:24

She really was not well known. I am older. She was one of those who stood on the balcony when there was masses of minor Royals. I have looked her up and she is married to the Grandson of George. There were 22 grandchildren. She is the equivalent of whoever marries Harry and Meghan's child. Very minor Royal. And now days there are only 5 grandchildren, back then there were 22.
She married Queen Elizabeth's cousin Edward.
Katharine, Duchess of Kent is one royal you may not have heard of. Married to Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent since 1961, the Duchess of Kent has kept a very low profile in recent years.

She really was well known. I’ve always known who she was. Just because you don’t know who she is doesn’t mean she was obscure. May I ask how old you are, perhaps you’re just too young to know she was a very well known face in her time.

Ok see you’re older but I’m in my sixties and I’ve known about her forever.

FloofPaws · 05/08/2024 18:13

@MrsFinkelstein - that's because it's H&M's truth, which, as we know, is AKA made up crap to act the victim

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/08/2024 18:16

AvrielFinch · 05/08/2024 17:24

She really was not well known. I am older. She was one of those who stood on the balcony when there was masses of minor Royals. I have looked her up and she is married to the Grandson of George. There were 22 grandchildren. She is the equivalent of whoever marries Harry and Meghan's child. Very minor Royal. And now days there are only 5 grandchildren, back then there were 22.
She married Queen Elizabeth's cousin Edward.
Katharine, Duchess of Kent is one royal you may not have heard of. Married to Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent since 1961, the Duchess of Kent has kept a very low profile in recent years.

This is inaccurate. The Dukes of Gloucester and Kent have been mainstays of the Senior Working Royal family for many many years (and still are as age permits The Duke of Kent was on the Royal family Instagram page last week doing an engagement). Their wives had high profiles and were frequently in the press. They laid wreaths at the Cenotaph their wives were on the balconies over looking the ceremony. They (mind the Duchess of Kent because she is retired) were included in the family portrait at the King's Charles' Coronation, as senior working members of the family.

As many people have already said the Duchess of Kent was a very much loved member of the Royal family, particularly at Wimbledon. One particular incident was her comforting Jana Novotna when she lost in the Women's Final many years ago.

It is simply inaccurate to dismiss them as minor royals. The Duchess of Kent withdrew from royal duties years ago which is why she hasn't been there in recent years but she was a key support to the Queen when she did carry out duties.

EdithWeston · 05/08/2024 18:23

AvrielFinch · 05/08/2024 17:06

No one knew who the Duchess of Kent was. It is very different from Meghan. Harry and Meghan left the Royal Family 5 years ago, and still they are constantly talked about here and on other forums. The level of interest is insane.

It’s very close to the Duchess of Sussex, as HRH the Duchess of Kent is the wife of the “spare” and was a senior working Royal at the time

Hughs · 05/08/2024 18:31

Princess Margaret sought and received mental health care after a reported "nervous breakdown".

Very much looking forward to "yes but come on now, who on earth was Princess Margaret, you're really scraping the barrel, one of the most minor royals ever, never in the papers, barely even knew the Queen, never heard of her, had to google"

OlympicWomen · 05/08/2024 18:32

Hughs · 05/08/2024 18:31

Princess Margaret sought and received mental health care after a reported "nervous breakdown".

Very much looking forward to "yes but come on now, who on earth was Princess Margaret, you're really scraping the barrel, one of the most minor royals ever, never in the papers, barely even knew the Queen, never heard of her, had to google"

😂

Roseau18 · 05/08/2024 18:46

As a parent of a suicidal child, i am appalled by their lack of understanding of the issues involved. Teenagers also committed suicide in "the olden days"

OlympicWomen · 05/08/2024 19:01

Roseau18 · 05/08/2024 18:46

As a parent of a suicidal child, i am appalled by their lack of understanding of the issues involved. Teenagers also committed suicide in "the olden days"

I'm sorry for what you're going through. It's not a cause to be promoted by people like this. 💐

Twistybranch · 05/08/2024 19:09

Roseau18 · 05/08/2024 18:46

As a parent of a suicidal child, i am appalled by their lack of understanding of the issues involved. Teenagers also committed suicide in "the olden days"

I’m sorry, this must be upsetting for you.

Im super conscious that lots of people are affected by this subject. It’s also a very complicated one.

I actually think this is such a seismic misstep, even those that have had sympathy for them will realise that it is really irresponsible to talk about something that you have no expertise in and that it appears that they are using this for PR

Gorgonemilezola · 05/08/2024 19:14

The Duchess of Kent was incredibly well known. She was a fixture a Wimbledon, presenting trophies, and she and her husband were at all the big royal occasions. Her husband was a real support to the late Queen, and is still an absolute stalwart. Of course people know who the Duchess of Kent is.

And, although I don't think they had in patient treatment, both William and Harry have been through the counselling process.

Where did you hear the Queen wouldn't 'allow' Meghan treatment?

Mylovelygreendress · 05/08/2024 19:39

Roseau18 · 05/08/2024 18:46

As a parent of a suicidal child, i am appalled by their lack of understanding of the issues involved. Teenagers also committed suicide in "the olden days"

💐

Thedom · 05/08/2024 19:39

Gorgonemilezola · 05/08/2024 07:52

And the faux 'Oh, I didn't know you were going to mention that....' on the interview. (paraphrasing, I'm not watching it again to get the exact words). I

She comes across as so disingenuous, she clearly knew that question was coming, if it had been a surprise, she could have easily side stepped it and had it cut out of the final cut.

I found her demeanour during the interview absolutely awful, the fake smiles that were totally out of place, and her facial expression made her look as though she was constantly smirking.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/08/2024 19:41

Thedom · 05/08/2024 19:39

She comes across as so disingenuous, she clearly knew that question was coming, if it had been a surprise, she could have easily side stepped it and had it cut out of the final cut.

I found her demeanour during the interview absolutely awful, the fake smiles that were totally out of place, and her facial expression made her look as though she was constantly smirking.

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I really wish they would face an interviewer who asks probing questions . Piers Morgan ??

CathyorClaire · 05/08/2024 19:48

Rhaidimiddim · 05/08/2024 13:16

I worry that the Aspen organisation is funding them to let Archewell act as a depository for heartbreak stories that can then be used to swing public opinion towards censorship.

I wonder if people realise that material uploaded to Archewell becomes the property of Archewell to be used as Archewell pleases with any income generated going to Archewell and all this in perpetuity.

I've no idea if this also pertains to material submitted to a third party via the site but I think it's worth considering and investigating.

FloofPaws · 05/08/2024 19:52

@Mylovelygreendress - so do I, they never would though as they'd be a house of cards - so it's all just garbage and self adoration interviews

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/08/2024 21:24

CathyorClaire · 05/08/2024 19:48

I wonder if people realise that material uploaded to Archewell becomes the property of Archewell to be used as Archewell pleases with any income generated going to Archewell and all this in perpetuity.

I've no idea if this also pertains to material submitted to a third party via the site but I think it's worth considering and investigating.

I touched on this earlier, Cathy, when asking 'how do they define a "safe" network, and how does data being "used by others" match with "(it) will never be ... disclosed to outside entities"?'

Once again it appears that control is somethiing of a feature here, and while tthat's fair enough up to a point given it's H&M's own website, I'm not sure they're people I'd want to hand that to in light of their cavalier attitude to the sensitive subjects of others

pearlfritillary · 05/08/2024 21:31

I'm not very impressed to see that the NSPCC has been quoted on the Archewell Parents Network for the UK.

My letter to the NSPCC is in the post.

ThePoshUns · 05/08/2024 21:31

AvrielFinch · 05/08/2024 17:24

She really was not well known. I am older. She was one of those who stood on the balcony when there was masses of minor Royals. I have looked her up and she is married to the Grandson of George. There were 22 grandchildren. She is the equivalent of whoever marries Harry and Meghan's child. Very minor Royal. And now days there are only 5 grandchildren, back then there were 22.
She married Queen Elizabeth's cousin Edward.
Katharine, Duchess of Kent is one royal you may not have heard of. Married to Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent since 1961, the Duchess of Kent has kept a very low profile in recent years.

You really are talking through your arse. She was very well known and featured in all the major royal events back in the day. She was very glamorous and presented the trophy at Wimbledon every year.
You are really trying in both senses of the word.

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