H & M announce a visit to Colombia

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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle announce they will visit Colombia

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Another country on the "Don't travel" list.

"But the UK and US governments have both issued security alerts over travelling to Colombia amid fears over crime, terrorism, civil unrest and kidnapping - and Harry's decision to visit comes amid his ongoing battle for his security when in Britain.
The UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office 'advises against all but essential travel to parts of Colombia'. And the US Department of State issued a travel advisory for Colombia stating: 'Reconsider travel due to crime and terrorism. Exercise increased caution due to civil unrest and kidnapping. Some areas have increased risk.'"

Perhaps he thinks this is the way to get his security reconsidered? Personally I'd say the opposite.
If he still had UK security I'd expect them to do a risk assessment and say "NO".
Why should security personnel be put at risk by being required to travel to these dangerous destinations.

I wonder if there is a recent survey asking people if they know who these minor Royals are? Would be interesting.

You just don’t like the fact that I shot down your claim that members of the RF are not able to seek mental health help and that really frustrates you, start a survey if you want, it’s irrelevant but you crack on, oh and by the way still waiting for your evidence that the Queen wouldn’t allow Meghan to get help so I’m looking forward to seeing proof of your claim.

Well, whatever it was, it must have been erroneous, given the precedent of the in-patient MH treatment received by HRH the Duchess of Kent (wife of one of the "spares" of that generation)

There's no unwillingness in the RF for in-patient treatment, or for any treatment

Doesn't matter, in this context, what their public profile is

What matters is that the RF definitely does know and has no problem with someone who needs MH treatment (including as in-patient) receiving it

In the 70’s the Duke of Kent was not a minor royal. He must have been in top 10 or thereabouts. They even announced on the radio that the duchess had had a miscarriage! Not sure they do that for minor royals.

Anne didn’t get married till mid 70’s I think. Charles and Andrew married in the 80’s. So they didn’t have the current crop of younger royals. Lady Helen was always in the papers I seem to remember much like the younger royals are now.

And honestly who goes to HR for help with their MH especially when their husband has access to top therapists and they are under the care of the Portland hospital?

God even in the 90’s I was asked how my MH was when pregnant and having miscarriages and that was in the lowly NHS! I smell a lot of bull with some of the statements from those 2.

… Meghan said this herself in her interview with Oprah. HR told them that they only deal with members of staff, not the family.

And FYI it’s Katherine, the Duchess of Kent. Even if you don’t know the Worselys, a quick Google is your friend.

The Medical Household (ie those who deal with the health needs of members of the RF) is so well known that it even has its own Wiki page.

It is inconceivable that Harry did not know of its existence, and utterly shameful that he did not point his wife in the right direction.

Also sad that she did not feel able to talk to those who were providing medical support for her pregnancy. The Portland has relevant experts on its books. And I'm a bit surprised that if she were able to ask a Palace staff admin department, she were unable to ask either the Medical Household or her own team, but then again it can be very difficult whist you're actually going through it.

You still haven't pointed to the source that shows the Queen vetoing Meghan getting treatment, but please do your silly quiz.

The narrative came from the Oprah interview where Meghan said that HR refused to help her.

Considering the pains she and Harry took in that interview to make sure they didn't criticise the Queen at all, there is no way that any narrative in which the Queen is blamed for Meghan being unable to have inpatient treatment would come from them.

I expect it is from twitter where assumptions become fact as fast as anyone can type them.

I think it was a mis step for Meghan to refer to this whilst launching their new campaign. It distracts all the attention from what is a laudable cause for them to publicise.

Meghan could easily have accessed top, confidential help for her MH problems. She was under the Portland, why didn't she mention this at appointments? If it came on suddenly and she was too upset to message them, Harry could have messaged her ante natal counsellor, midwife or even Obstetric Consultant, who were all part of the expensive package. Or Harry could have contacted Doria, or Julia Samuel, or any number of professionals who would have helped. She was pregnant, of course she could have had everything she needed.

And the faux 'Oh, I didn't know you were going to mention that....' on the interview. (paraphrasing, I'm not watching it again to get the exact words). I

That isn't the point, though.

The point is not how many people know who the Duchess of Kent is and the way her mental illness was treated; it is that the RF had, in the past, dealt with such a situation sympathetically, and if no-one else remembered it, they certainly did.

Meghan telling porkie pies again about being denied treatment in an inpatient facility because the RF were worried about how it would look.

That's the point exactly, @Rhaidimiddim .

I think this shows the weakness of the celebrity approach to issues. If you centre your personal experience (because you don't have any expert knowledge to contribute) you cannot help but distract from the very people and causes you are trying to shine a light on.

I remember Princess Anne saying in an interview that she knows she can't change things but what she can do is shine a light on the people who can, the experts, the dedicated charity workers etc. That isn't the way celebrity charity works, it is a far more symbiotic relationship.

I wish the sycophantic interviewers would actually take M and H up on all the holes in their statements. Why does no one actually ask them tough questions instead of fawning? They get away with talking absolute bullshit .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13707697/JAN-MOIR-Harry-icy-stare-husband-watch-saying-mister.html 😂

This one?

Or the quick warning eye flick?

They just can't help themselves can they?

I would be interested to read your source for that .
As for your dismissive comments about the Duchess of Kent , well she married the Duke who at one time was around 5th/6th in the LOS ( same as Harry ).
The Duchess was not the only member of the RF to spend time in a MH facility ; Princess Margaret ( at one time The Spare).
In years to come will you be happy to refer to Harry etc as minor Royals ?

I don’t know much about the publishing industry but maybe someone can clarify.
H and M allegedly received a huge advance for a 4 book deal . If the third and fourth book don’t materialise, what happens about the advance ?

Maybe you should let the royal family know they need to update her title seeing as you are such an expert.

https://www.royal.uk/the-duchess-of-kent

Presumably, the Duchess of Kent was admitted to a healthcare facility after she had been assessed by medical professionals who decided this was the best course of action. She didn’t go to HR and ask them to sort this out for her, I wouldn’t imagine.

Also, I wonder what happened after Meghan was unable to get HR to arrange inpatient care for her. Was she left to just get over her crisis on her own? Presumably she did, or she got help because she went to her NY baby shower not long afterwards 🤷‍♀️

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I agree, but then it's just another example of initiatives - no matter how worthy - being made about them rather than the people they're supposed to be helping

I try to avoid generalisations but it's hard to think of an example where this hasn't happened, and while the media undoubtably play a part, so much of it is a direct result of H&M's own words and actions