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German documentary about Meghan

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sausawyee · 26/07/2024 09:03

www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/every-detail-will-be-checked-bombshell-meghan-markle-documentary-delayed-while-producers-seek-legal-advice/news-story/e56d56d3e60f37af6a31da01b455f0b2?amp

I have seen several newspapers referring to this German documentary. It's the first I've heard of it.

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CoffeeCantata · 30/07/2024 19:16

CurlewKate · Today 17:19
I am as fond of gossip as the next woman, but the amount that people seem to know for sure about how total strangers think and feel is extraordinary. This applies equally to both sides of this "discussion".

(Yawn) Strangers who've written a tell-all book, made an achingly long documentary about their lives and done a sensational interview on world TV...among other things.

Oh, and made many speeches.

And you think we know nothing about them??

CoffeeCantata · 30/07/2024 19:25

Maybe but remember Sarah Ferguson didn’t receive a generous divorce settlement!

Indeed - but can you imagine if Meghan didn't get everything she wanted in a divorce settlement? I wonder what she would blame it on? Hmmm...

Mylovelygreendress · 30/07/2024 20:01

CoffeeCantata · 30/07/2024 19:25

Maybe but remember Sarah Ferguson didn’t receive a generous divorce settlement!

Indeed - but can you imagine if Meghan didn't get everything she wanted in a divorce settlement? I wonder what she would blame it on? Hmmm...

Can’t imagine ……
Of course there is that bullying report which might - accidentally- be leaked .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/07/2024 20:02

Harry had better keep her on side because if he doesn’t tow the line it will be utter carnage for him

In his more sensible moments - if there still are any - I imagine that's occurred to him, and he doesn't even have any obvious family support or skilled PR staff to make it all look better now

As said so often though, nobody could force him to stab practically the whole lot in the back if he really didn't want to; that was his choice and he'll just have to live with the consequences

thecatsthecats · 30/07/2024 20:47

Wellieswithsocks · 30/07/2024 15:47

But this confected approach clearly does work on some people - hence the Sussex Squad.

Exactly what is it about her that appeals to them?

I don't think it's about her so much though.

She was a mixed-race woman in the Royal Family, who happened to leave making claims of institutional racism during peak BLM.

I remember posts calling her "my Queen of England" on BuzzFeed pre-wedding from people excited that a black American woman was going to be a princess.

It's a combination of a beautiful woman, American race relations and tribalism. Now that the club has formed, all they have to do is collectively fawn over her.

It's just what some people need to feel belonging. Nothing to do with Meghan but a coincidence of circumstances.

Runnerinthenight · 30/07/2024 21:19

CurlewKate · 30/07/2024 17:19

I am as fond of gossip as the next woman, but the amount that people seem to know for sure about how total strangers think and feel is extraordinary. This applies equally to both sides of this "discussion".

We probably know more about them than any of the others, direct from the horse's mouth.

I mean, no-one else has told me they lost their virginity in a field behind a pub, or had frostbite on their willy, or TTC'ed next to a lock of mummy's hair??!

Vespanest · 30/07/2024 21:23

The worst part of a documentary about Meghan that is in anyway negative there will be a backlash against Catherine as that is the unfortunate consequences so for both their sakes I’m hoping there nothing to report. I’m finding the summer of love PR push a bit too over the top and not even attempting to look organic and leading to an onslaught in the comments. Maybe it’s working in the states though. But less is more seems an unheard of approach.

sausawyee · 31/07/2024 00:02

@thecatsthecats you're spot on with that. So many think they are just like her and in some bizarre way to them she validates their existence (which they are deeply unhappy with).

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WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 31/07/2024 07:35

I should imagine as others have said there won’t be any new information just a rehash. Although I would love it if someone would get H&M to answer some proper questions it will never happen.

OhMargaret · 31/07/2024 09:26

butterbeansauce · 27/07/2024 10:24

And have they condemned the attacks on her?

The abuse she gets is unrelenting.

No-one short of a child abuser or murderer should be subjected to this sort of scale of scrutiny.

Equally I don't think W & K should either. Taking sides as if it's a football team is repugnant. These are people's lives and constantly speculating if someone is going to get divorced, has a personality disorder, is generally a bitch is enough to send anyone over the edge. It's quite disgusting and I don't know how they're allowed to print this stuff.

Many times when she was still living in the UK. They've also never said a bad word about her in any public statement. Meanwhile the onslaught continues from California (probably because it's their only meal ticket - all press is good press when you are making a living from it).

CurlewKate · 31/07/2024 09:40

@Runnerinthenight "
I mean, no-one else has told me they lost their virginity in a field behind a pub, or had frostbite on their willy, or TTC'ed next to a lock of mummy's hair??!"

You should get more interesting friends!🤣🤣🤣🤣

CoffeeCantata · 31/07/2024 10:17

thecatsthecats · 30/07/2024 20:47

I don't think it's about her so much though.

She was a mixed-race woman in the Royal Family, who happened to leave making claims of institutional racism during peak BLM.

I remember posts calling her "my Queen of England" on BuzzFeed pre-wedding from people excited that a black American woman was going to be a princess.

It's a combination of a beautiful woman, American race relations and tribalism. Now that the club has formed, all they have to do is collectively fawn over her.

It's just what some people need to feel belonging. Nothing to do with Meghan but a coincidence of circumstances.

I agree. Meghan managed to orchestrate a perfect storm of social movements, news features and cultural shifts to make herself look like a victim. (I don't know H personally, but I doubt he'd have had the nous to do such a sklfull but brazen job as that on his own!) This all joined forces with republicans who jumped at the chance to beat the RF with the racist stick.

Many people see through this pantomime - but many swallow it and I believe it's done lasting harm to the UK which will take some mending. That's why I 'care', if that's the word Sussex supporters like to use when trying to shut down discussions here. I don't 'care' about H & M, but I do worry about the damage those two have done and are still trying to do. I do think they've been traitors to their family(ies) and to the UK, in H's case.

CoffeeCantata · 31/07/2024 10:19

CurlewKate
You should get more interesting friends!🤣🤣🤣🤣

If those are the sort of friends you like, crack on.

Wellieswithsocks · 31/07/2024 11:03

CoffeeCantata · 31/07/2024 10:19

CurlewKate
You should get more interesting friends!🤣🤣🤣🤣

If those are the sort of friends you like, crack on.

Quite!

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 31/07/2024 11:33

CoffeeCantata · 31/07/2024 10:17

I agree. Meghan managed to orchestrate a perfect storm of social movements, news features and cultural shifts to make herself look like a victim. (I don't know H personally, but I doubt he'd have had the nous to do such a sklfull but brazen job as that on his own!) This all joined forces with republicans who jumped at the chance to beat the RF with the racist stick.

Many people see through this pantomime - but many swallow it and I believe it's done lasting harm to the UK which will take some mending. That's why I 'care', if that's the word Sussex supporters like to use when trying to shut down discussions here. I don't 'care' about H & M, but I do worry about the damage those two have done and are still trying to do. I do think they've been traitors to their family(ies) and to the UK, in H's case.

Yes this is why we care. It’s not about them personally but the damage they have done. In old times Harry would have been lucky not ti be exiled.

Wellieswithsocks · 31/07/2024 12:46

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 31/07/2024 11:33

Yes this is why we care. It’s not about them personally but the damage they have done. In old times Harry would have been lucky not ti be exiled.

He basically has been exiled. The U.K. public would not be impressed if Charles succumbed to his emotional blackmail (but I suspect William and the men in grey suits would swiftly block any attempts on that front, anyway).

The Summer of Love PR push with its carefully framed hints from ‘sources’ about Harry and Meghan’s demands and expectations seems hopelessly amateurish/naive. There are no balls in Harry’s court - none.

Not2identifying · 31/07/2024 12:48

Going back to the 'why do some people love her so much' question. I think part of it is that she is seen as somebody who has taken on the establishment. She essentially tried to take down a head of state because even while professing love for the late Queen, she still accused the institution (of which the Queen had been leader for almost 70 years and was thus inseparable from it) of racism and mental cruelty. For lots of people, watching the establishment and the UK be openly criticised by people who were in it is enjoyable and they support that.

I personally enjoy reading about her and Harry because of how controversial they are. I can genuinely see both sides and my views are nuanced although they veer towards being critical of them. It makes them interesting to think about, sort of my version of following a soap opera. I also think of MacBeth with the 'fatal flaw' - somebody who could have been a good leader but for his ambition.

E.g.

As above, she wants to take on the establishment...but she loves her title and wanted her children to be Prince/Princess.

I think she's a talented public speaker...if only what she said made more sense.

I think she does genuinely take an interest in social issues...if only she could resist trying to puff up her own consequence while doing that work.

I think she was brave and hardworking while pursuing her acting career...but the skills and personality traits that helped her succeed in that industry don't work so well outside of it (the hustling, which is not something British people like in the royals).

I think she has come in for a lot of criticism which would be better directed at Harry...but his massive personality shift when he met her means that she likely does have an outsize influence on him and it's hard to imagine him spectacularly betraying his family if he didn't have her.

I think that a lot of the criticism is because she's Californian/American...but then it was also unwise on her part to not try to understand better the culture she married into, especially given that she really did give up a lot to come over here.

I think if she had been ever-so-slightly different, she'd have made a great royal. And it's the 'so near but so far' thing along with all the other many discussion points which generates interest and criticism. And the more criticism there is, the more her supporters come to her defence.

I think PP are right that they are incredibly frustrated at her current public profile (and his!). I think their single biggest mistake in terms of general 'likeability' was that they should have been very clear about separating out the Royal Family, the press and the UK public. They should have lavished praise on the latter (like Diana's 'I want to be Queen of People's Hearts, in people's hearts' - she was saying that the public's affection for her meant something to her). It would have made a lot of difference if they had exonerated the British public. By not doing so, as PP have said, they genuinely did damage the UK's standing on an international stage, in a way that they wouldn't have done if they had reserved their anger for the RF and the press.

Mylovelygreendress · 31/07/2024 13:21

@Not2identifying

Did she really give up a lot to come over here ?
Wasn’t Suits coming to an end ? I am not aware of her having anything else in the pipeline ( happy to be corrected). The late Queen urged her to continue her career but she “ wanted to hit the ground running” .
I have always thought that Meghan’s ultimate goal was not to be an actress but be rich and famous . By marrying Harry she did but she wasn’t the star and didn’t like it .

Not2identifying · 31/07/2024 13:28

@Mylovelygreendress

I think she gave up a lot (living in her preferred place, her anonymity, her family's privacy, living life on her own terms, her hypothetical children's privacy, etc).

AND I think she wanted to be rich and famous. And that her show was coming to an end and marrying Harry was her best prospect for riches and fame.

I just think it's not (ironically) a black and white situation. She got what she wanted but she paid a heavy price.

smilesy · 31/07/2024 13:49

Not2identifying · 31/07/2024 13:28

@Mylovelygreendress

I think she gave up a lot (living in her preferred place, her anonymity, her family's privacy, living life on her own terms, her hypothetical children's privacy, etc).

AND I think she wanted to be rich and famous. And that her show was coming to an end and marrying Harry was her best prospect for riches and fame.

I just think it's not (ironically) a black and white situation. She got what she wanted but she paid a heavy price.

A lot of what she gave up was as a direct result of who she chose to marry though. She could potentially have chosen someone else whose circumstances were less inflexible than Harry’s. If she fell in love with Harry, then she should really have understood why she would have to live somewhere else, give up her anonymity etc. She wouldn’t be the first person to make compromises for the person they choose to spend their life with. It is not always realistic to expect your partner to be able to adjust their lifestyle to exactly your requirements

eta. I realise that she didn’t have to move countries, but Catherine gave up aspect of her life to marry William, as did Philip when he married the late Queen 🤷‍♀️

Citrusandginger · 31/07/2024 15:29

I agree @Not2identifying. I think Harry has never really grown up and is the eternal rich and dim sulky teenager. M on the other hand had potential. She was older, brighter and more confident when she joined the family. As such, she could have excelled and been popular with royal watchers. Instead she wanted to be the headline act and dictate terms. Her terms.

I actually find it really frustrating that she was close to being brilliant and chucked it away for her ego.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/07/2024 15:43

Superb post, @Not2identifying; the only thing I'd add is that, while I agree her marriage involved some loss of privacy/family anonymity, etc, it's not clear that Meghan values these very highly except when it suits a victim narrative

If she did then I'd expect a level of empathy with the privacy of others, and unfortunately it's just not there

Not2identifying · 31/07/2024 15:44

@smilesy I agree with your comments. And of course there is fairly compelling evidence that it was never her intention to stay in the UK and do royal stuff forever more.

But, again, that's kind of what I mean by the 'fatal flaw'. I think it could have been really good for them to decide they wanted to live a different life and for them to have been based in California from the start, if only they had foregone the big wedding and the titles. I suspect Meghan is currently living the life she always wanted to live except she would have preferred to have been universally popular. Of course, nobody is popular with absolutely everyone but there are so many things she could have done differently and her public image would be completely different. It has long been said about H & M that they either don't have or don't listen to advisers.

Not2identifying · 31/07/2024 15:48

I agree with both your posts - @Citrusandginger and @Puzzledandpissedoff.

InsomniacIda · 31/07/2024 15:50

Just seen that Harry is due to inherit 7 million when he turns 40.

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