Sussex Whiplash

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Sometimes, all the different media outlets who purport to know the inner workings of all things Sussex can give me whiplash. One moment the Sussex duo are on the outs with everyone, hemorrhaging or devoid of influential friends, making no headway with Netflix, losing money, can’t afford their mortgage and claimed to no longer be relevant. Then Suits saw an upsurge in viewers - fantastic ratings on Netflix, the BBC buys Suits, Invictus is being promoted via Harry’s award and trips, he receives a heartfelt standing ovation, Meghan finishes filming a new Netflix series purportedly linked to a nascent commercial venture and a new podcast is set for next year.

‘Lonely’ Harry, as some will insist on writing, is also not something that rings true for me. He has too much charisma, energy, interests, causes and is a people person. I also cannot think of anyone who needs to say I am friends with x, y, and z on a regular basis for the benefit or not of strangers. We don’t know who they are friends with, really. Meanwhile, pundits continue to engage those interested in the couple with whatever they can attributing the information to some made up mysterious ‘sources’. I suspect their real friends are quietly keeping their own counsel. Especially, now they have seen the mutual pathological loathing that Harry and the tabloids have towards one another. Can’t say I blame them either.

Now there is this:

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Considering Whoopi G had less than favourable words for the couple I’d like to have been a fly on the wall at any meetings held. No doubt ‘netizens’ will have their microscopes to the ready to give us all their ‘insights’ regarding the events of the evening. No doubt I’ll get whiplash again when all their combined fingers hit the keyboards.

Morethanafeelingbutbesmart · Today 21:43
Other way round. Harry and Meghan were not treated well by the brother. We know he is a far more aggressive personality from many, many insiders. Harry confirmed it.

Oh well - if Harry confirmed it...

You are out of touch with the facts and simply accepting Harry's propaganda truth.

Look up Harry's delightful interaction with the Foo Fighters drummer (poor chap since deceased). Not aggressive? OK...

And remember that the Queen had to step in to remind Harry and Meghan that 'we don't speak to staff like that' after Harry shouted at a member of her staff whose only crime was to do her duty. She, of course, couldn't answer him back. What an aggressive bully and all-round charmer he is!

And there is more than one way to be aggressive. I think Harry's (and Meghan's ) vicious attacks and character assassinations on Catherine, William and Camilla amounts to aggression, personally.

who did not see herself as a ‘lesser mortal’ in his presence

Meghan does exactly see herself as a lesser mortal to William and Catherine that is the crux of the problem, their deep feeling of being lesser is what has fuelled their spiteful hate campaign, Harry and Meghan’s whole issue is their lesser status, their lesser ranking, their children’s lesser ranking and of course far less money, William is already a billionaire, that will cut them to the core, the bottom line is William, Catherine’s and their children’s star power is ascending, I don’t see Harry and Meghan following the same trajectory, it won’t be too long before George and Charlotte will be stealing the front covers, the clock is ticking very loudly and they know it.

What a dreadful outcome from that happy day so many of us enjoyed in May 2018. A couple with so much wealth, privilege and status, support and opportunity, get so mired in jealousy, petty behaviour and discontent. Lying and profiting from it, and from their ghastly "tell all" lifestyle. I honestly never thought thry would stoop so low.

This.

He passed on his concerns and then accepted a new role in the organisation and the abuse is still going on. He cares not a jot.
His only interest is in feathering his own nest by fair means or foul. He is a rather horrible little 'man' and yes, I will happily admit I judge anyone who puts him on a pedestal and fan girls over him like a besotted 13 year old.

Addressing the question of Harry saying more about Africa Parkks. Scroll past of it is too long. I’m too tired to edit it.

“This is about the model of conservation that has been going on since colonial times in Africa and also many part of Asia” Survivors International .

I read that about the same time that I read the DM article.

I have a basic understanding of Colonisation and the dispossession and disempowerment and dehumanising effects experienced by traditional land owners in colonised countries. When I first read about this, I recognised colonisation comparisons. I’m also aware that traditional ways of land management have worked for thousands of years. But with colonisation, suddenly, somehow, the colonisers just know better. And of course, benefit from it. In Africa Parks we have conservation side by side with rich people going on safari (and a billionaire (invested in this too I read). While The Baka people are experiencing all that colonised peoples experience.

It’s not just African Parks that uses this model of conservation. (And I can’t remember where I read it but, WWF are in this somewhere too. I think the WWF might work with Africa Parks in some way.)

It’s much more widespread and the whole thing is concerning. I understand the need to save wildlife but not at expense of the traditional land owners being pushed off their land and unable to practice the way of life they have practiced long before, and experiencing raping and torture. There is no government oversight as far as I can see in regards to this conservation group. The questions as to why there is not, is too big a question for me. Someone else that’s demanding Harry do something and has a better understanding of this can perhaps enlighten us as to why?

Survival International have said they are not saying Harry knew, that it has been going on since before he became associated ( which was in 2016 when he was still firmly a working RF member) but that they have requested he stand down because they believe ‘giving his face to African Parks is, in a certain way, beneficial to African Parks’. I agree with that. When royalty put their faces to things with their patronage they lend it an air of legitimacy ie ‘they approve ‘. We have seen repeated examples of royal family members having patronised something that comes unstuck through bad practice of some sort. Not their fault usually - but honestly I think they really need to stick to the stuff they know in regards to patronage - Fine Arts and the Military.

Harry has responded to concerns to Africa Parks allegations this way.

Harry and Meghan's Archewell Foundation said in a statement: "When the Duke became aware of these serious allegations, he immediately escalated them to the CEO and chairman of the board of African Parks, the appropriate people to handle next steps." Newsweeek Jan 29 2024

Investigations are still ongoing apparently. ( I believe one person has been found guilty of rape so far and has been punished and I can’t remember what the punishment was but it struck me as very light punishment).

’‘Charles can’t go back and fight historical wrongs’ is accurate.

But he can speak to it and apologise for it. People still live with the generational effects of both colonisation and slavery. Charles kind of admitted (late last year) to what happened in but he stopped short of the apology that human rights organisations have asked for. The effects of colonisation are generational. They are passed on down through the years and current generations suffer them - as well as suffering the things that have not been made right -still

“King Charles has spoken of Britain's “abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence” committed against Kenyans during their fight for independence, but stopped short of an apology despite human rights groups demanding one.
31 Oct 2023” Guardian

Earlier, the Kenya Human Rights Commission (KHRC) urged King Charles to offer an “unequivocal public apology”.

“We call upon the king, on behalf of the British government, to issue an unconditional and unequivocal public apology (as opposed to the very cautious, self-preserving and protective statements of regrets) for the brutal and inhuman treatment inflicted on Kenyan citizens,” the KHRC said.

My point about it being a gotcha question still stands.

When is Harry going to speak further regarding Africa Parks?

When is Charles going to make the full apology the people of Kenya have called for?

Charles can’t go back in time and right historical wrongs, however Harry actually has that in his power and yet he chooses to do fuck all, totally indefensible but not doubt you and the fans will find a way

Yeah, okay. I usually don’t answer these hot accusations in a hot way, I just point out what I know. But if only you were as demanding of yourself in regard to holding some RF members to account for their bad actions. Because there are years and years and years of shite to answer for, but somehow they kick the cans further and further down the road. ‘Don’t explain’ certainly works for them. Their fans accept the lack of explanations and the the lack of reports on internal ‘investigations’, disappearing historical documents, enormous secrecy not given to the rest of the citizens to which the monarch is head of state, Non explanations of their friendships with paedophiles. It’s a wonder they can walk on their multitude of rugs and carpets with all the shite they have swept under them.

It's always 'but but but ........'

African Parks wardens are abusing Baka people on Harry's watch as president and the abuse continues on Harry's watch as a director in 2024 and he is showing no signs of distancing himself. Let us not forget this is supposedly Harry the humanitarian.

I will just link these and people can read for themselves when they have the time and take a view.

https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-charity-promotion-rape-african-parks-1864758

https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-charity-torture-allegations-african-parks-1892675#:~:text=Prince%20Harry%20has%20been%20asked,a%20risk%20to%20the%20organisation.%22

People have asked me on my thoughts re the titles: I don’t care if a Harry keeps his title or not: I’m not privy to Harry’s thoughts on the matter. But like all the people who have royal or aristocratic titles and keep them, they are born with them, they acquire them, own them, and I can see why very few of them give them up. They are valuable and why would they give up something they were born to that has value? Harry knows the value of his titles, just like all the other RF members do. Fighting with one’s family does not mean giving everything back. People move on with what they have. When People fight with a parent because of behaviour that they could not accept, do they give back anything that might have come to them in the meantime?

I’m not going to respond to any more questions on the subject of Harry’s titles. I’m not in court. I have nothing more to say about ‘why they don’t give back their titles.’

I suspect people don’t want Harry to have the Duke title because Meghan has the Duchess title as a result. Harry will still be a prince (as ridiculous as I find these titles, as I find anyone’s title for that matter) and Archie snd Lili will still be a prince and princess. It’s Meghan they think won’t have a title, and I think that’s what some people really want. And I think that’s amusing.

Meghan would simply become Princess Henry, but the world would then call her Princess Meghan, anyway. It’s incorrect, but that’s what would happen. I find that also amusing.

Africa Parks did do something. They turned it around and attacked Survival International.

They keep their titles despite all their claims about the toxicity of the monarchy and the royal family because it's all they've got, that now tenuous connection to royalty. They literally could not wait to declare their children prince and princess.

So basically it’s fine for Harry to do fuck all about atrocities that are happening on his watch because the British Government has stopped short on an apology to Kenya, you didn’t disappoint @DeftLemonDog peak whataboutery as ever, why not throw the treatment of Anne Boleyn into the mix for good measure?

You find all titles ridiculous yet defend Harry and Meghan keeping them, no wonder you won’t respond to further questions it must be hard twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend them, I will never get my head around so called republicans or people who hate everything about our constitutional monarchy who die on the alter of Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, now that I find highly amusing!

Fighting with one’s family does not mean giving everything back.

I don't buy this - Harry has said all along how much he loves his family, he's not fighting with them. You might think he is, given some of the personal attacks, but he says it's the institution he has a problem with. The titles link him to the institution he so despises, how can he bear it?

You're right about the value though, I think that's at the heart of it, £££.

I agree with PP, so weird to see republicans falling over themselves to defend the determinedly royal H+M. So determinedly royal that they insist on using royal titles even though they've left 🤦‍♀️

I'm an American. Harry's titles and those of his children mean nothing to me. If I had met William during his NYC visit, I would have shook his hand because he represented the government of the US's closest ally. I also respect him for Earthshot.

Harry is not a representative of his government. He is an ordinary US citizen. He is not representing a US ally. I will not bow to him or his wife and use titles for his children. I also really resent the fact that he is here under a questionable visa, criticizing our First Amendment.

My father and uncle served in the Pacific in WW II. They didn't do so for my country's Constitution to be undermined by an entitled rich expat.

The titles can be dropped. They simply say we are just Mr Mountbatten-Windsor and Ms Markle from now on. They can be proactive instead of reactive. They don’t need to wait for the palace or UK government to do anything. They won’t drop them because they like the status they afford and it’s their only money maker. It’s as simple as that. Status, money.

It's so obvious to people too " look at them hanging onto titles because it's all they've got"

So basically it’s fine for Harry to do fuck all about atrocities that are happening on his watch because the British Government has stopped short on an apology to Kenya, you didn’t disappoint peak whataboutery as ever, why not throw the treatment of Anne Boleyn into the mix for good measure?

Anne Boleyn? Half a millennium ago? Compared to less than 70 years?

‘The British govt have stopped short’ . Charles is sitying on vast pile of wealth surrounded by the spoils of colonisation. This is not only a UK govt problem. It’s also a problem for Charles and family - Harry included- and it’s Charles’ duty as King and head of his household to say the words.

No I did not say it’s basically fine for Harry to do ‘fuck all’ . So don’t twist my words.

I said I’m waiting to hear further from Harry too. Just like I’m waiting to hear Charles’ apology to Kenya. It’s not whataboutery, it’s about how similar they all are.

And to those who say ‘it’s in the past’ , Colonisation has generational effects. In every former British colony that Charles visits from now on, it’s going to be what the traditional land owners want to hear. Watch Australia later this year. Charles as HoS of many former colonies, and representative of the UK govt., can’t seem to find a way to address this. ‘It’s in the past’ no longer works, because it’s not in the past. As much as some people insist it is, it just isn’t. It’s as much of an imperative as the Africa Parks atrocities.

It seems to be a common thread running through the members of the royal family (Harry included) - this inability to acknowledge their wrong doing and do something about it.

They sweep things under the rug. They kick the cans further down the road. The most respected Royal historians and autobiographers readily acknowledge that. They write about it. I see it. I see that some Sussex supporters don’t see that Harry does this, just as his father and others do. But some do see it. I see that some Royalists would rather do anything but see it.

I find it ridiculous that people demand of Harry what they are unable to bring themselves to demand of Harry’s family and his father, The King. Accountability.

Thsts why you get so much ‘whataboutery’ as this board is so fond of pointing out. But it’s not ‘whataboutery’ it’s ‘same’ - there is relevance, parallels to be drawn.

I just listened to a podcast about Jimmy Saville last night, so it’s uppermost in my mind. The RF gave this man legitimacy by befriending him and so publicly spending time with him. It’s not in the past, the effects of this. People are still hurting and suffering from Jimmy Saville’s abuse of children, and not once has Charlie’s felt compelled, it seems, to say sorry, and, we fucked up. I thought Charles had spoken out already. But it seems I was wrong and he hasn’t?? Saville is dead, but people still suffer and there will be generational suffering too. What is stopping Charles saying sorry for the bad judgement. Or just acknowledging the bad judgement? There are people who want to hear from the people who gave legitimacy to their abusers. I know this personally.

Harry does need to do more in regards to Africa Parks, as does King Charles need to do more in regard to quite a few things. He’s got to learn to hold the can instead of kicking it.

Charles…? He’s had longer to think about all his stuff. Where’s the urgent demand? Why are people excusing him? Make it make sense? Has he done anything about it? If not, why not? To borrow a few phrases.

Harry won't do anything other than things which make money and support his status.
He doesn't care about African Parks other than the above status.

I don't think the titles are only about money, though that is important, but about status and ego. I think the titles matter to H&M because they desperately need to feel special, and that's all they have.

You're right, @Baital . What are they without the titles? Nothing.

I’m sure most Americans feel the same. Why does he think his titles matter in a Republic? He’s living in a country that fought for independence from Britain.

He doesn't really think about that. He just believes in his special privilege. Their children, growing up in California as US citizens are Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet. They have future proofed their celebrity and earning power. Those children will never be under the radar. They want to perpetuate their royal connections.

He named his book because he was the spare, claimed the toxicity of the firm and people don’t think it hypocritical that he placed his own children in the line of succession. His son outranks his daughter who eventually will be outranked by her nieces and nephews. He and his children outrank Meghan. Why because Harry is a glass half empty, they have the title because the privilege outweighs the negatives but that doesn’t fit Harry’s narrative

There’s a book called ‘Spare Us’ in bookshops now! It’s a hilarious spoof! I was reading it in the bookshop yesterday.