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TicTacToes · 05/07/2024 11:01

I’m very interested to know whether sites that are clearly pro Meghan and Harry are now considered ‘hate’ sites when they publish opinion pieces supportive of either of them. A case in point being Celebitchy where I’ve taken a gander at the articles which seem supportive of H and M and other celebrities, the latest article is kinda supportive of Taylor Swift. I see it’s been around for donkeys. Some of the comments, however, posted by people seem out there and I do not get the humour at all. Overall, it seems the ‘working’ British Royals are not thought well of so it may also have a Republican strain running through it. Anyway, be interested to know if there is a history to be aware of as I do not like hate sites and if this is rabidly communist or fascist it should be flagged up as such.

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PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 00:26

DeftLemonDog · 16/07/2024 00:19

Any criticism of M&H on here is usually based on documented words and behaviour that some of us find egregious. I think the real W&K opponents have to dig rather deeper into dirt, as they don't actually do anything objectively wrong.

That might have something to do with Palace leaking stories about Harry, and not William.

This seems to have gone on since the early 2000s.

The heirs must be protected, so give the media and its consumers the spare. Harry said as much I think. Didn’t he say that the Palaces are in bed with the media?

MGM used ‘palace leaking’ in their defence against Harry’s assertions of phone hacking.

Instead, MGN's lawyer claimed in a court document seen by Yahoo! News: "Many [of the articles] came from information disclosed by or on behalf of royal households or members of the Royal Family."”

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/prince-harry-stories-royal-family-daily-mirror/

This is the British Monarchy. There’s a long history of scheming and plotting. I find it hard to believe it suddenly ended sometime during the late Queen’s reign. No one understands ‘optics’ and creating ‘narratives’ better than this lot. They’ve been at it for a thousand years.

I see the married in women as the whipping boys in all this and that press and the public collude in this.

And it seems that the Press was told William was not ‘fair game’ in an article when he turned 18, but I can’t find equivalent for Harry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/809612.stm

“Five years ago, when Prince William went up to Eton, Lord Wakeham gave newspapers a strong warning to respect his privacy during his time at school.

In a speech to journalists, the chairman of the Press Complaints Commission said the fact William would one day be King did not warrant intrusions into the privacy of a child.

On Wednesday, speaking in the same room, just off Fleet Street, he gave newspapers credit for their restraint during that period, pointing out the Prince's life at Eton had been largely free of paparazzi and intrusive stories.

But on leaving school, William loses much of the protection all children receive under the editors' code and Lord Wakeham acknowledged there would now be much greater media and public interest in all aspects of the Prince's life.
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He must absolutely not be 'fair game' - but at the same time, things will change

Lord Wakeham
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The recent pictures marking William's 18th birthday - for the press and television - aroused huge media interest, so much so that a dispute over the copyright of some of the pictures led to the resignation of the Prince of Wales's press secretary.

When the News of the World pre-empted the official photographs by publishing others which had not been approved, St James's Palace made its disapproval known to the Press Complaints Commission, though it has not yet made the complaint official.

Now he has left school, newspapers will have greater freedom to publish pictures of Prince William in public places, and to write stories about him.

But Lord Wakeham is determined there should not be a free-for-all.

He told journalists: "He must absolutely not be 'fair game' - but at the same time, things will change."

"He has left school, he is growing up and has become a young adult, he is increasingly becoming a public figure - and the way the press covers him will reflect that."

Responsible coverage
Lord Wakeham reminded journalists the editors' code - which was strengthened after the death of William's mother, Diana Princess of Wales - still applied to the Prince, as much as to anyone else.
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Lord Wakeham calls for continued paparazzi restraint

In particular, the PCC chairman pointed out newspapers and magazines must not publish pictures of the Prince taken in places he could reasonably regard as private, and must not subject him to harassment.
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If they ran stories about him, he said, they should be accurate - already several papers had suggested he was having relationships with girls he had never met.

It seems likely the papers will heed the warning. Already The Sun and The Mirror have declared in leading articles they have no intention of intruding on the Prince's privacy.”

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Oh gosh I think I've said before most people don't read this style of posting with links and copied text. It tends to just be too boring. 🤷‍♀️

DeftLemonDog · 16/07/2024 00:55

PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 00:26

Oh gosh I think I've said before most people don't read this style of posting with links and copied text. It tends to just be too boring. 🤷‍♀️

I pulled out the relevant bits to support what I was saying. And offered up the links. You don’t have to read any of it. My thoughts are in normal text. If that helps you.

DeftLemonDog · 16/07/2024 01:06

Yes, I agree - there's really very little foundation to the rumours about W and C, and I find that (on MN at least) those more sympathetic to W and C are far less willing to repeat internet rumours about H & M's relationship than the other way around! Wonder what this says about these demographics...

To make it more easier for the poster who didn’t like the style of that particular post of mine when I responded to this - There is one rule for William and another for Harry.

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And, on here, I’ve noticed that any speculation about the longevity of Harry and Meghan’s marriage and predictions of their future divorce is poured over and added to by certain posters, yet when a poster speculates on another royal couple’s marriage there are howls of outrage and pile ons, and ‘disgustings’ etc.

Both couples have children that can be hurt by media and sm speculation of their parents’ marriages but apparently one couple and one couple’s children matter more than the other.

BemusedAmerican · 16/07/2024 02:14

Or William wasn't dumb enough to get himself photographed naked in Vegas, a location in the US where we give f-all about UK press rules.

Not to mention all the stories about Harry in the military, harassing that musician, etc. that came out much later. I think a large part of the UK public's anger towards Harry ( I'm just a humble American so can be disregarded) is because such a false positive was painted of him by the UK press. Then he wrote Spare. And the real Harry revealed himself.

MissTrip82 · 16/07/2024 03:12

CoffeeCantata · 05/07/2024 16:32

I've seen horrible things about the RF (Catherine/William/Charles/Camilla) on here but nothing too bad about H & M. I've been on for possibly a couple of years - maybe less, so I'm prepared to believe that in the early days of Meghan there might have been worse stuff.

The 'anti-Meghan and Harry' posts (if we have to think of it like that) on MN recently I find to be calm, nuanced, well-informed and perceptive, with the interest being in the psychology of their behaviour and the wider effects it has on the RF and the UK. I don't see hyper-personal nastiness or viciousness towards them - it's all much more 'in regret than anger'. Yes, there's the occasional joke, but it's not what I'd call vicious.

In the relatively short time I've been reading them, the comments about the royals I find to be of a different order. I suspect that a different type of person is likely to make these comments - to put it crudely, people who tend to be more aggressive and less subtle - and sometimes, it has to be said, a bit dim in their lack of critical thinking. With some honourable exceptions they are much less articulate than the 'other side'.

The stuff about Catherine's absence before her cancer announcement was vile, and it was accompanied by horrible, drooling enjoyment and repetition of long-discredited rumours about the Wales's marriage and William's 'anger issues', as they like to call them. Really awful stuff which I won't repeat here.

It points up a big difference in the sort of posts which criticise Meghan and Harry. I guess all the 'H & M critical' regulars have heard the various nasty gossip about their relationship but I've never seen anyone repeat this stuff on here.

Just my experience of the MN RF discussions.

Really?

I’ve seen thread after thread after thread started by people who clearly loathe them both but for some reason keep extensive dossiers on them and can cite every trashy article going back years. Balanced nuanced thinkers aren’t doing that.

Pointing out how deranged this is tends to get comments deleted.

PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 08:21

@DeftLemonDog I don't need any help thanks. There are some posters that I automatically skip over as I basically know what it will say and it just takes up too much space on my phone. This style of post with so many links is one that's been seen here so many times previously and my brain just says "skip".

PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 08:28

"Both couples have children that can be hurt by media and sm speculation of their parents’ marriages but apparently one couple and one couple’s children matter more than the other."

This is just not the case on here but then I don't read other sources so no idea if you are referring perhaps to those. I won't repost the disgusting things that have been said on HERE about the Prince and Princess of Wales. It would be an extensive list and is far more explicit and detailed shall we say than the posters who say things like "I doubt H will still be married by then".

LaMarschallin · 16/07/2024 08:29

PrincessMee

There are some posters that I automatically skip over as I basically know what it will say and it just takes up too much space on my phone.

Oh God, me too.
They bang on and on with multiple links like what they've got to say is so important and will make such a difference...
Generally boils down to "H&M yay!".
Most of us have real lives to be getting on with - I spend too much time on MN as it is without struggling through yards of inanity.

PrincessMee · 16/07/2024 08:30

If I recall I think it's to do with the fact they have many subs to various outlets.

Uricon2 · 16/07/2024 08:36

@DeftLemonDog

Were BP/KP responsible for what Harry wrote in Spare, among other things potentially making identifiable (in cruel and disparaging terms) the school Matron he bullied and the girl he lost his virginity to? Did the men in grey suits draft the comment about viewing the people he killed as "chess pieces"?

Did they actually force him to use a racial slur (which he later apologised for) against one of his army comrades? Did they suggest it would be a good idea for him to engage in a game of naked pool? Actually, that's a poor example, as most people seemed to find it quite funny and the result of high spirits, me included.

There is much more. You can blame the dark forces of the Palace machinery all you want, but seriously suggesting any criticism Harry gets is down to that rather than his own words and actions is risible.

Nevermetaghostididntlike · 16/07/2024 10:26

DeftLemonDog · 16/07/2024 01:06

Yes, I agree - there's really very little foundation to the rumours about W and C, and I find that (on MN at least) those more sympathetic to W and C are far less willing to repeat internet rumours about H & M's relationship than the other way around! Wonder what this says about these demographics...

To make it more easier for the poster who didn’t like the style of that particular post of mine when I responded to this - There is one rule for William and another for Harry.

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And, on here, I’ve noticed that any speculation about the longevity of Harry and Meghan’s marriage and predictions of their future divorce is poured over and added to by certain posters, yet when a poster speculates on another royal couple’s marriage there are howls of outrage and pile ons, and ‘disgustings’ etc.

Both couples have children that can be hurt by media and sm speculation of their parents’ marriages but apparently one couple and one couple’s children matter more than the other.

Very true. The obsessive negativity is asinine. Harry and Meghan are subject to all manner of negative comments on this site. Unable to move on certain posters rake over the coals of the past trying to make flames. It doesn’t work. There are millions of fans of the pair worldwide. A solid support base outside of the Sussex Squad that are attacked because some people find it unbearable that the two of them garner such passionate defence. Prince Harry will weather the storm. His growth and strength rooted in a solid family base now. The RF suffer from a moral turpitude and media obsessed sickness. It’s been called out. The people know.

Gorgonemilezola · 16/07/2024 10:59

I doubt the daft pair have millions of supporters anywhere. Most people aren't interested in the pair of self absorbed nincompoops.

But you don't have anything to say about the rabid Sussex Squad, Harry and Megan's main support. Because they're indefensible?

You seem to gloss over the fact that the negativity Harry and Meghan receive on this site is pretty much down to their own deeds and words and nowt to do with the royal family or anyone else.

MissPeaches · 16/07/2024 11:10

CoffeeCantata · 05/07/2024 16:32

I've seen horrible things about the RF (Catherine/William/Charles/Camilla) on here but nothing too bad about H & M. I've been on for possibly a couple of years - maybe less, so I'm prepared to believe that in the early days of Meghan there might have been worse stuff.

The 'anti-Meghan and Harry' posts (if we have to think of it like that) on MN recently I find to be calm, nuanced, well-informed and perceptive, with the interest being in the psychology of their behaviour and the wider effects it has on the RF and the UK. I don't see hyper-personal nastiness or viciousness towards them - it's all much more 'in regret than anger'. Yes, there's the occasional joke, but it's not what I'd call vicious.

In the relatively short time I've been reading them, the comments about the royals I find to be of a different order. I suspect that a different type of person is likely to make these comments - to put it crudely, people who tend to be more aggressive and less subtle - and sometimes, it has to be said, a bit dim in their lack of critical thinking. With some honourable exceptions they are much less articulate than the 'other side'.

The stuff about Catherine's absence before her cancer announcement was vile, and it was accompanied by horrible, drooling enjoyment and repetition of long-discredited rumours about the Wales's marriage and William's 'anger issues', as they like to call them. Really awful stuff which I won't repeat here.

It points up a big difference in the sort of posts which criticise Meghan and Harry. I guess all the 'H & M critical' regulars have heard the various nasty gossip about their relationship but I've never seen anyone repeat this stuff on here.

Just my experience of the MN RF discussions.

Yeah, you haven’t been here that long. There was plenty of anti-Sussex sentiment on here, just like every other social media site.

CoffeeCantata · 16/07/2024 11:12

DeftLemonDog · Today 00:19

I've always found H's dissing of the Palace and the 'men in grey' particularly ironic when you consider how a nice, friendly, fun persona was created for him by these perceived enemies.

We now discover that he's actually a miserable, entitled, moaning, not very bright spoiled brat capable of casual racism and actual physical assault, not to mention shouting at palace staff when he or Meghan didn't get their own way when they snapped their fingers.

I think Harry has a lot to thank the Palace 'machine' and the men in grey for.

CoffeeCantata · 16/07/2024 11:15

MissPeaches · 16/07/2024 11:10

Yeah, you haven’t been here that long. There was plenty of anti-Sussex sentiment on here, just like every other social media site.

Maybe - but situations and stories develop over time.

I was a massive fan of Meghan and Harry at the time of their wedding, like many people. I was disappointed when they threw in the towel but since then, both what's emerged about their behaviour and what I've read, seen and heard about them (from their own mouths!) has made me realise what nasty, calculating, manipulative and entitled people they both are - prepared to destroy others for their own purposes, and running a vile pack of attack dogs known as the Sussex Squad.

NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 16/07/2024 12:36

Likewise cantata

What is the phrase that is oft touted on MN?

‘When someone shows you who they are, believe them’?

I didn’t need much convincing.

I believe.

TicTacToes · 16/07/2024 13:41

MissTrip82 · 16/07/2024 03:12

Really?

I’ve seen thread after thread after thread started by people who clearly loathe them both but for some reason keep extensive dossiers on them and can cite every trashy article going back years. Balanced nuanced thinkers aren’t doing that.

Pointing out how deranged this is tends to get comments deleted.

💯 no doubt at all. It’s very obvious.

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TicTacToes · 16/07/2024 13:45

Nevermetaghostididntlike · 16/07/2024 10:26

Very true. The obsessive negativity is asinine. Harry and Meghan are subject to all manner of negative comments on this site. Unable to move on certain posters rake over the coals of the past trying to make flames. It doesn’t work. There are millions of fans of the pair worldwide. A solid support base outside of the Sussex Squad that are attacked because some people find it unbearable that the two of them garner such passionate defence. Prince Harry will weather the storm. His growth and strength rooted in a solid family base now. The RF suffer from a moral turpitude and media obsessed sickness. It’s been called out. The people know.

It’s hysterical how they want so badly to believe them to be nothing. The opposite is true. I think more of Harry now than I did before, he has grown so much.

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NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 16/07/2024 14:03
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Unable to move on certain posters rake over the coals of the past trying to make flames.

Why only the other day, some were posting about Prince Phillip’s childhood. And the late Queen’s childhood. Princess Anne in her younger years.

And Queen Victoria.

You are right. It didn’t work.

Nevermetaghostididntlike · 16/07/2024 14:10

TicTacToes · 16/07/2024 13:41

💯 no doubt at all. It’s very obvious.

Harry knew the dirty games being played. After the South Africa tour Willy contacted his brother asking him if he would like to meet according to one royal expert from The Times. And Harry was initially open but wanted to know who Willy was going to tell if he did come over. Willy referenced his private secretary and Harry was - don’t come over then. If staff knew it would leak. Says it all really that you will not just pop over in the evening quietly without being so rigid and a d%ck about it. Who needs to tell their private secretary, they were in walking distance from one another. Also Harry was the most popular royal in those days and Willy must have hated that especially after the brilliant tour of South Africa.

Harry knows where all the bodies are buried and has heaps of texts which he has not revealed. Remarkably restrained considering Willy the heir likes to throw his weight around. Disgusting behaviour from someone who is supposed to be king one day. I hope Charles III stays around until he is 100 years old and then we have a vote on who should be head of state.

CoffeeCantata · 16/07/2024 14:14

TicTacToes · 16/07/2024 13:45

It’s hysterical how they want so badly to believe them to be nothing. The opposite is true. I think more of Harry now than I did before, he has grown so much.

Mmm - I don't think you find it hysterical.

I think you find it uncomfortable because it's becoming harder and harder for their supporters to defend. H & M's narrative is wearing very thin and they're being driven to more and more desperate measures and I, for one, think you can see that on their faces. Harry looked panic-stricken at the ESPY event and Meghan had a rictus grin (esp when Venus was side-eyeing her) which I thought was an attempt to put on a brave face when she knew things weren't going well.

And they skidaddled early, didn't they? I wonder why. Still seeking an answer to that little mystery.

NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 16/07/2024 14:18

What is with the very familiar use of silly names?

There is no need.

i suspect there are far more burial sites linked to Harry. And quite possibly Meghan.

The only person throwing their weight around has been Harry. And as such, he is now a figure of ridicule for many.

He could (they could) have had it all.

NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 16/07/2024 14:22

Going early for good reason? Understandable. I’m sure a lot of us have had to make a polite and early departure due to circumstances outwith our control.

This just wasn’t that.

Gorgonemilezola · 16/07/2024 14:24

Nevermetaghostididntlike, we don't know anything - as Harry continually reminds everyone, his memory is faulty, and what he says is His truth rather than The truth - and we know there's a chasm between the two.

Harry has 'heaps of texts that he's not revealed'? Firstly, how do you know this?
Secondly why do you think he hasn't revealed them? Possibly because they don't show Harry in a particularly good light? Or maybe he's blackmailing his family with the content.? If so, they're not falling for it.

As for William 'throwing his weight arounf' - the only person doing that is Harry. William pulled Harry and Meghan up about their treatment of staff (as did the late Queen). What was Harry and Meghan's behaviour like that he needed to do that?

Referring to William as 'Willy' is straight out of the Squaddies playbook. Well done you.

NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 16/07/2024 14:37

And as for rictus grin?

I’m not entirely sure that is intentional.

Sadly, like many people lately, the veneers (or whatever they are) are too big for her features.

It is a disconcerting look.

More so when they both looked so very strained. Maybe even they both realised that the award should have gone to someone else.