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King Charles III

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ConstantGarden1 · 01/07/2024 22:58

Will he?

I am no gambler but I can’t see it myself. Not unless he wants to show his support of his son. Would KC be that generous to his ‘darling boy’? If he did it will definitely upset some anti Harry royalists/daily mail readers/ right wing Americans. Can’t have Harry receiving the King surely….he is supposed to be beyond the pale these days.

William is reported as being ‘baffled’. Baffled? More like blazingly angry about it if true. I guess Will’s thought he could act like a ‘cuckoo’ and get Harry out now and forever. Maybe, the ‘bullying’ trait reported over the years by many, many people regarding him is still there.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/style/king-charles-discussions-visit-prince-130106673.html

King Charles 'in discussions' to visit Prince Harry for first time in years - as 'reason' behind trip revealed

King Charles is said to be in discussions to visit his estranged son Prince Harry in America for the first time in years - but his wife and Prince William are reportedly not happy

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/style/king-charles-discussions-visit-prince-130106673.html

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DeftLemonDog · 06/07/2024 00:27

It is a well known tactic of abusive partners to threaten this act. Alienating friends and family is another tactic. Saying this is not wrong.

Saying that it is a tactic used by abusive partners is not wrong.

But assuming that is what happened in this case is wrong.

DeftLemonDog · 06/07/2024 00:30

Actually, assuming that is what happened in any case is wrong.

Makemydaypunk · 06/07/2024 00:36

You can keep saying mine and other peoples opinions are wrong, you can keep saying our assumptions are wrong, but that’s just your opinion, it doesn’t make you right. You happen to believe her, I don’t.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/07/2024 07:01

DeftLemonDog · 06/07/2024 00:27

It is a well known tactic of abusive partners to threaten this act. Alienating friends and family is another tactic. Saying this is not wrong.

Saying that it is a tactic used by abusive partners is not wrong.

But assuming that is what happened in this case is wrong.

Exactly, DeftLemonDog

As said above we simply can't know how Meghan felt at the time, but still folk are slammed for "criticising a suicidal woman" as if it's a settled fact which we should all automatically accept - and given their record that's just not going to happen

Typo

smilesy · 06/07/2024 08:38

The one thing that makes me wonder is that Diana apparently tried to harm herself when she was pregnant with William. Given that a lot of what the Sussexes do seems to be inspired by his late mother (catastrophic car chase, photos by pee sticks etc), it does seem to be a bit of a coincidence 🤷‍♀️. I hope that if Meghan was indeed feeling that low, she did manage to get some help

Thedom · 06/07/2024 10:02

You would have to be really dumb, delusional, thick etc., to think that a HR employee could decide on an inpatient psychiatric treatment without the referral and assessment of a psychiatrist. It was a totally unrealistic request and more likely it was a test to prove the Royal Family had 'wronged' her, something else in her back pocket to use for her own benefit later.

It was all so bizarre, which is why people question the truth of it, why wasn't Harry doing something to help, why wasn't her mother, her best friends, the Soho house guy, Jessica Mulroney. Why does she have no criticism for those closest to her for letting her down, letting her struggle with suicidal thoughts and do nothing.

No one knows the real truth, except that she was really unhappy with her lot and wanted out of the obligations of being a member of the Royal Family. In hindsight, it appears she was working on building their victimhood narrative for use at a later date.

There were also rumours the inpatient facility Meghan wanted was a very exclusive and very expensive Wellbeing and Mental Health Spa / Clinic, which she wanted the RF Human Resources department to pay for (clearly Harry didn't want to cough up his own money). No need for medical referral, self referral is accepted at these these Spa / Clinics which can cost up to $100k per week.

Vespanest · 06/07/2024 11:00

I take Meghan at her word, but that is where I draw the line, I’m certainly not going to judge third party responses. I can judge Harry because he was too thick to realise how bad he made himself look. As for other believing the suicide account, I am a believer of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, if people choose not to believe because there has been so many lies, misunderstanding, differing recollections and forgetfulness including in a court of law then that’s there prerogative.

Rhaidimiddim · 06/07/2024 11:10

DeftLemonDog · 05/07/2024 23:28

Being ‘not alone’ in your opinion does not make your opinion right.

It doesn't make the opinion invalid either.

No-one's account should be beyond question, especially someone who has form for lying over a period of time and subjects.

GardeningIsntScrapingForSussex · 06/07/2024 11:24

Actually, assuming that is what happened in any case is wrong.

For me, lying to hurt others is any case is wrong.

No assuming there.

It was the case.

Baital · 06/07/2024 11:31

Not only Harry, her mother, friends etc but her chosen medical team at the Portland Clinic who presumably have experience in supporting pregnant women who are stuggling with their mental health.

But no, it's the RF and their HR team at fault 😂

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:21

Who said they went to HR? I can’t remember.

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:26

Harry in OW wasn't it? Or Meghan

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:29

Ok, a Google says Meghan in OW. That their response was that they couldn't help because she wasn't a paid employee.

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:31

Going to HR for this is such an odd thing to do. Are they both really that out of touch with the way the normal world works?

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:34

I have no idea why!

I would have thought it best to go to a medical professional for a medical issue, especially as Meghan would be having regular checks with her midwife team.

But that's what was said in OW. They couldn't get help for her mental health because it was turned down by HR

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:35

This makes me think Meghan never had a real job in her life. I mean, we have employee assistance in US in some companies that might help get you a list of providers or connect you with a counselor, but it wouldn’t be my first step for someone that felt suicidal.

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:40

What role does HR have in finding treatment for someone in UK where you have the NHS?

Our HR here is only tangentially involved because of employer provided health insurance. Still I wouldn’t go to them for help with a health problem, only to find out what to do if I needed extensive time off.

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:44

If she wanted in-patient then it might be a cultural misunderstanding?

From what I understand (big disclaimer, I am.nit a medical professional! my understanding is purely from random conversations over the years with a friend who is a mental health nurse) in the UK in-patient is a last resource when you can't be treated as an out-patient.

Usually you are too much if a risk to yourself or others, or you need a change in meds monitored for physical reasons, or detox needs medical monitoring etc

This isn't just a money issue, but because it doesn't help long term as in-patient treatment is an artificial environment, and sooner or later you get discharged. And in the long-term treatment is about helping people get and remain well in the wider world.

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:48

I think it’s more ignorance from two people how never had normal lives or jobs.

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:48

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:40

What role does HR have in finding treatment for someone in UK where you have the NHS?

Our HR here is only tangentially involved because of employer provided health insurance. Still I wouldn’t go to them for help with a health problem, only to find out what to do if I needed extensive time off.

None! Unless it's a referral to Occupational Health for an assessment.

Where I work we have an Employee Assistance Programme, where any member of staff can access up to 6 sessions of counselling, legal advice on certain issues up to a certain point etc.

Presumably HR had a role in selecting the provider, monitoring usage etc.

But members of staff contact the providers directly. Feedback to the company HR is never on an individual basis, only overall numbers using the services, t is entirely confidential.

EdithWeston · 06/07/2024 12:48

The Medical Household for the Royal Family is so well known there's even a Wiki page about it.

HR have no role in RF medical issues whatsoever. Harry let her down badly if he did not tell her how to access medical treatment. But presumably she did so when getting input to her pregnancy, so I find it a little difficult to believe she had no idea.

There is no bar to in-patient treatment for MH issues - remember that the Duchess of Kent (wife of one of the "spares" of her generation) did exactly that - solid precedent.

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:50

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:48

None! Unless it's a referral to Occupational Health for an assessment.

Where I work we have an Employee Assistance Programme, where any member of staff can access up to 6 sessions of counselling, legal advice on certain issues up to a certain point etc.

Presumably HR had a role in selecting the provider, monitoring usage etc.

But members of staff contact the providers directly. Feedback to the company HR is never on an individual basis, only overall numbers using the services, t is entirely confidential.

Same here.

Baital · 06/07/2024 12:50

Yes, the Duchess of Kent had in-patient treatment and has been open about why she needed it.

EdithWeston · 06/07/2024 12:50

Presumably HR had a role in selecting the provider, monitoring usage etc

I really don't see why, when there's a whole other department that does that

AliceOlive · 06/07/2024 12:52

How would they not know this, particularly since Meghan had just given birth?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Household

Medical Household - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Household