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ConstantGarden1 · 2024-07-01T21:58:49+00:00

Will he? I am no gambler but I can’t see it myself. Not unless he wants to show his support of his son. Would KC be that generous to his ‘darling boy’? If he did it will definitely upset some anti Harry royalists/daily mail readers/ right wing Americans. Can’t have Harry receiving the King surely….he is supposed to be beyond the pale these days. William is reported as being ‘baffled’. Baffled? More like blazingly angry about it if true. I guess Will’s thought he could act like a ‘cuckoo’ and get Harry out now and forever. Maybe, the ‘bullying’ trait reported over the years by many, many people regarding him is still there. [[https://uk.news.yahoo.com/style/king-charles-discussions-visit-prince-130106673.html https://uk.news.yahoo.com/style/king-charles-discussions-visit-prince-130106673.html]]

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 05/07/2024 17:22

She apparently gave birth at the Portland Hospital. The Portland package includes counseling and therapy in pregnancy. (Lest we forget, she had a very happy, bouncy, super quick birth experience according to Spare. The Portland sounds like the sort of place she'd have received really good talking therapy, had she sought to utilise it). Harry had created a mental health movement with his brother within the Royal Foundation and had his own therapist on speed- dial (according to Spare). Yet says he was too ashamed to get his wife any help when she asked him. That's on him and on her, for being a strong feminist (in her own description of herself) who is unable to pick up the phone and help herself like millions of other women with far fewer resources have to. The two of them need to stop blaming everyone else for the problems they created.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/07/2024 17:30

A pregnant woman is subjected to vileness, she is disbelieved about wanting to kill herself and you berate her further for not having a stiff upper lip or whatever it is you think she should have had. A little empathy goes a long way. Privilege and wealth are not guards against 1. Mental ill health or 2. racism mixed with misogyny. In the UK we place far too little importance on wellbeing and depression

I realise this wasn't addressed to me, @ConstantGarden1, but while I thoroughly agree about privilege not being any guarantee of good mental health, I find it hard to blame anyone for being a bit "hmmm" about H&M's dramatic accounts of her alleged suicidal ideation

We may never know what really happened since we only have their words for it, but while I certainly wouldn't discount this out of hand, I wouldn't assume the words of proven liars to be the whole truth either

And that's the problem with having such a loose grasp on objctive truth - on the occasions where it really is used the speaker can often find they've lost their audience

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 17:37

Uricon2 · 05/07/2024 17:14

Any explanation of why Meghan's husband was seemingly unable to source appropriate help for her, even though he'd had therapy himself? Why the RF would really want a new member to struggle like that and how it would benefit them, even if you look purely at the resulting optics? Why a blood prince who'd been in the household since birth thought the appropriate people to contact were the HR department who deal with staffing issues?

An awful lot does not add up about that whole situation.

ETA and yes, I know about Diana but a) this was a long, long time after her troubles with that history know and very different dynamics and b) it is reasonable to expect Harry to at least have a bit more insight.

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And Why Didn't She Talk To Her Midwife Team?

Vespanest · 05/07/2024 17:43

There is no way of discussing Meghan mental health and suicidal thoughts without judging Harry or making excuses for him. I have no reason to disbelieve Meghan which makes Harry a pathetic excuse of a man, who not only didn’t stand up but deflected his inadequacies onto others

smilesy · 05/07/2024 17:52

Vespanest · 05/07/2024 17:43

There is no way of discussing Meghan mental health and suicidal thoughts without judging Harry or making excuses for him. I have no reason to disbelieve Meghan which makes Harry a pathetic excuse of a man, who not only didn’t stand up but deflected his inadequacies onto others

Well yes, but also didn’t Meghan decide she wanted to go to a clinic? Why? Wouldn’t it be best to talk to her midwifery team and see what the best options were? It was said that she “wasn’t allowed” to go to an inpatient setting which was clearly nonsense because other member of the RF have had inpatient treatment for MH issues. Harry was useless, but equally the whole thing makes no sense when there was plenty of help available that was easy for Meghan to access 🤷‍♀️

Vespanest · 05/07/2024 18:02

I’ve unfortunately dealt with someone who attempted to overdose, they were in no way capable of reasonable thinking, even attempting to stop me calling for an ambulance. Of course in the following days rational thinking happened but not during the worst of the depression. Harry has spent years disobeying his family and the rules but we are meant to believe he was unable to get help because they wouldn’t let him.

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 18:08

Makemydaypunk · 05/07/2024 16:56

A pregnant woman is subjected to vileness, she is disbelieved about wanting to kill herself and you berate her further for not having a stiff upper lip or whatever it is you think she should have had. A little empathy goes a long way. Privilege and wealth are not guards against 1. Mental ill health or 2. racism mixed with misogyny. In the UK we place far too little importance on wellbeing and depression.

Probably will get deleted but I don’t care I’m going to say it anyway, I didn’t believe for one single second Meghan intended to kill herself, it was used as a weapon to control Harry, a bit like how abusive men threaten suicide when their wives want to leave them.

I agree 100%.
It fits with all the falling to the floor in tears (as he gets home).

Mylovelygreendress · 05/07/2024 18:45

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 05/07/2024 13:51

Right, well I despair, then, and your attitude is exactly the opposite of how I am bringing up my children who are mixed race. Why let anyone take your power and sense of self away with an attitude of perpetual victimhood? Why let someone else's minority opinion of you cloud your entire sense of purpose and your entire present and future actions? Why be blinkered to your own enormous privilege that does and will far transcend anything your critics have and probably will ever have? Thank goodness I was brought up by an immigrant with courage in adversity, a can do attitude and an ability not to look a gift horse in the mouth!

The press had far more reach than she did? Bullshit. She had enormous amounts of positive press and massive amounts of goodwill from the public both sides for the Atlantic. She was about to become the superstar of the British Royal family, the only royal family to have the sort of worldwide recognition and international adulation that is on a par with Hollywood stars. She's supposed to be intelligent. Yet she didn't think that she was in it for the long haul, not a short term bit of adulation or criticism. That, as with Diana, Fergie and Catherine before her, the critical voices - the minority of critical voices - would count for next to nothing compared to the massive platform she had been handed. A massive platform and all the help she could ever want to make a huge change in the world. The sort of platform ordinary civilians can work their whole lives for and never get, and she got it through marriage. If she threw all that away for a few Sun headlines, then she's a bigger fool than I ever imagined.

But….. despite her massive platform , she still had to walk behind Catherine .

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 05/07/2024 19:07

Yes, massive platform thrown away because of massive ego. Catherine is of course the big obstacle to the big narcissistic ego. Has been from the beginning, as proven by the social media hate campaign against Catherine that started hard and early as soon as Meghan came along.

Arrogant enough to reject all help (Sophie, Lady Hussey, whom they say they loved and who would never be racist, Twumasi-Ankrah, the Queen's equerry, not good enough because he was black) as she wanted to "hit the ground running". Then complains that she had no help. Then instructs the odious Scobie to blame Catherine for not getting her mental health assistance.

I don't know why anyone defends these liars.

Gorgonemilezola · 05/07/2024 19:14

Meghan is so jealous of Catherine - it's what's behind all her actions. She thinks she's better in every way and can’t stand that she will have to take 2nd place to Catherine. I honestly believe she's consumed by it - it can be the only reason she hangs on to petty grudges and perceived slights and magnified them out of all proportion. Meghan is a complete drama llama.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/07/2024 19:16

I firmly believe she wanted Catherine to take her under her wing so they could be best friends . What publicity ! Gorgeous Meghan v Frumpy Catherine !
The fact that Catherine was pregnant with 2 young children at home obviously didn’t cross her mind !
The fact that she complained that Catherine didn’t take her shopping or share her lipgloss makes me think I could be right .

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 19:26

Mylovelygreendress · 05/07/2024 19:16

I firmly believe she wanted Catherine to take her under her wing so they could be best friends . What publicity ! Gorgeous Meghan v Frumpy Catherine !
The fact that Catherine was pregnant with 2 young children at home obviously didn’t cross her mind !
The fact that she complained that Catherine didn’t take her shopping or share her lipgloss makes me think I could be right .

And Catherine knew the ropes, gave (unwanted) advice regarding the wedding, and took offence when her experience was resented.

Have a look again at the sustained glare C gives M at the funeral walkabout in Windsor.

MummyJ12 · 05/07/2024 19:48

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 19:26

And Catherine knew the ropes, gave (unwanted) advice regarding the wedding, and took offence when her experience was resented.

Have a look again at the sustained glare C gives M at the funeral walkabout in Windsor.

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Who could blame her for that look.
With regards the wedding, why wouldn’t the advice be welcome or wanted? Then in the next breath, Meghan is complaining that she received no guidance or advice. FGS, make up your mind. You either want advice or you don’t. Those girls should have been in tights IMO, they would have been far more comfortable, and one of the bridesmaids was Catherine’s daughter so she had every right to have an input.
Meghan’s behaviour around the wedding seems a little bridezilla, to say she wasn’t bothered about the spectacle! 🙄

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 05/07/2024 20:08

They did the funeral walkabout at Windsor to head off the Sussexes doing their own with a Netflix crew (he was seen earring a microphone at the funeral). Harry and Meghan caused a massive fuss with Charles, whose mother was dying, hours before her death over whether Meghan could go and visit a woman she couldn’t be bothered to see in life and whose legacy she trashed on Oprah. Harry sneered at his father in this moment, recorded in the pages of Spare, saying Charles was making no sense. It’s a wonder that all Catherine did was glare at them. She was a fucking boss on that walkabout.

PrincessMee · 05/07/2024 20:15

The problem is

Vespanest · 05/07/2024 20:26

It was the Queen deathbed that Harry ignored the hierarchy privilege that he apparently despises, instead of being thankful that his position allowed him the invitation that the other grandchildren didn’t. He then felt outraged it didn’t include his wife. In the heat of the moment and grief is fair enough but holding onto it and placing it in a book and still no thoughts for his cousins. I still cannot get my head around the arrogance.

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 20:29

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 05/07/2024 20:08

They did the funeral walkabout at Windsor to head off the Sussexes doing their own with a Netflix crew (he was seen earring a microphone at the funeral). Harry and Meghan caused a massive fuss with Charles, whose mother was dying, hours before her death over whether Meghan could go and visit a woman she couldn’t be bothered to see in life and whose legacy she trashed on Oprah. Harry sneered at his father in this moment, recorded in the pages of Spare, saying Charles was making no sense. It’s a wonder that all Catherine did was glare at them. She was a fucking boss on that walkabout.

I heard that, too. On the day. Then the suggestion that H&M were intending to do a (Netflix) walkabout got dropped from further commentary, never mentioned again. You're the first I've heard to bring this up since.

smilesy · 05/07/2024 21:06

Rhaidimiddim · 05/07/2024 20:29

I heard that, too. On the day. Then the suggestion that H&M were intending to do a (Netflix) walkabout got dropped from further commentary, never mentioned again. You're the first I've heard to bring this up since.

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If that was their intention (I have no idea if this is the case), then it would explain why they were both so keen to go to Balmoral I suppose. Nothing to do with mourning the late Queen, everything to do with a Netflix exclusive

autocorrect 😡

MummyJ12 · 05/07/2024 21:24

It’s all so murky and Machiavellian.

StartupRepair · 05/07/2024 22:28

It is hard to sympathize with this couple that everything was such a rush and she couldn't find her feet when every person who advised them to take some time before racing down the aisle was then seen as an enemy of their Great Love.

DeftLemonDog · 05/07/2024 22:33

Makemydaypunk · 05/07/2024 16:56

A pregnant woman is subjected to vileness, she is disbelieved about wanting to kill herself and you berate her further for not having a stiff upper lip or whatever it is you think she should have had. A little empathy goes a long way. Privilege and wealth are not guards against 1. Mental ill health or 2. racism mixed with misogyny. In the UK we place far too little importance on wellbeing and depression.

Probably will get deleted but I don’t care I’m going to say it anyway, I didn’t believe for one single second Meghan intended to kill herself, it was used as a weapon to control Harry, a bit like how abusive men threaten suicide when their wives want to leave them.

Your post should be deleted but I’m not going to report it. It tells me all I need to know about you.

Did you, for a second, think about all the women who experience ante natal and post natal depression and it gets so bad they are frightened they are going to end their lives?

Did you think about anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide?

Makemydaypunk · 05/07/2024 23:25

I don’t care what you think about me, you are just a random on the Internet, I stand by my comments and I’m not alone in my opinion.

DeftLemonDog · 05/07/2024 23:28

Being ‘not alone’ in your opinion does not make your opinion right.

Makemydaypunk · 05/07/2024 23:31

In your opinion….

GardeningIsntScrapingForSussex · 05/07/2024 23:48

And not having the courage of their convictions tells me what I need to know about posters too.

It is a well known tactic of abusive partners to threaten this act. Alienating friends and family is another tactic. Saying this is not wrong.

We don’t know of course what happened here and their account of what happened (not just in this instance) is questionable at best. Along with accounts of throwing themselves to the floor weeping. Hence the pondering.

If she felt that way then Harry absolutely let her down.

But to blame others for not getting her help/allowing her help was very cruel. If she wasn’t in a position to seek help, then her husband should shoulder most, if not all of that blame.

As others have said plenty of times on here, the pair of them don’t seem very comfortable with the truth but prefer their truth instead.

Perhaps if they weren’t so flexible with their accounts, people would accept what they said.

It isn’t a surprise that people don’t.