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Mylovelygreendress · 16/06/2024 12:19

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PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 20:28

A great cure for nausea is considering the possible mechanics of republicanism.

PrincessMee · 19/06/2024 20:28

That is a possibility for sure as well as it not happening. Time will tell.

AliceOlive · 19/06/2024 20:31

I think the 1.6M likes on instagram is telling. Roughly 78% of users are under 45.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:31

PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 19:44

The last 'troublesome one' they actually got rid of was Charles I (not suggesting such drastic measures even for Andrew).

Edward VIII still had to abdicate, whatever might have happened behind the scenes to bring that about.

The point is that the hereditary system is inherently flawed. I very much doubt even the most ardent royalist would consider Andrew to be a fit person to be king, yet, the system that would put Andrew on the throne (or require an abdication) is the system that has put Charles there and will put William and George there.

Once you start arguing that this potential king or that potential king can and should be removed from the line of succession, the whole thing crumbles - it's either a meritocracy or it's not.

If Andrew can and should be removed - consider Charles. Not a terrible person but certainly a man who has made many mistakes - there are people, mainly fans of the late Diana, who believe the throne should have passed straight to William as a result of Charles's conduct - so where does it end?

Being a royalist means you accept whoever is next in line and I'm afraid you can't weasel out of it with hypotheses about Andrew being forced to abdicate should he have succeeded the late Queen.

Great to see alternative voices popping up again - I hope you can stay the course !

wordler · 19/06/2024 20:34

I hope the monarchy lasts in the UK until our collective voting ability matures and we aren’t in danger of electing the human version of BoatyMcBoatFace.

PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 20:35

AliceOlive · 19/06/2024 20:31

I think the 1.6M likes on instagram is telling. Roughly 78% of users are under 45.

And roughly 87% of users are not based in the UK.

Easy for folk to like something they don't have to live with or pay for.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:37

wordler · 19/06/2024 19:51

Well it would be a bit different way of doing it - like a kind of Britain’s Got Talent public vote for the next heir.

Here’s the top ten in the line of succession vote for the one you’d like up next.

Basically at the death of each monarch in the intergnum we get a vote yes or no to abolish the monarchy. It would keep the heir on their toes that their assumed role would have to earned and fought for not assumed. If we vote no then the monarch stays in post until we have decided what replacement system we should have. One Sir Keir has abolished the House of Lords he can set up a Royal Commission into how we could do this so the replacment was in place for the next death and folks would know what they were voting for.

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:38

There is no such thing as an interregnum.
When the monarch dies, the next in line becomes the monarch.
The only Interregnum that actually happened, was the rule of Oliver Cromwell.

StormzyinaTCup · 19/06/2024 20:41

PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 20:35

And roughly 87% of users are not based in the UK.

Easy for folk to like something they don't have to live with or pay for.

Republic has 9,000 members (May 23)

Uricon2 · 19/06/2024 20:43

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/06/2024 20:10

It took France the better part of a century to sort out their political system after they threw out the monarchy. Perhaps not everyone wants to 'accept some disruption' on that scale.

Our ancestors similarly scared themselves. Tumbledown Dick Cromwell at least had the sense to see that if they were going to have an unelected HoS, a Stuart had more going for them with the populace than him.

BadPennyForeverTurningUp · 19/06/2024 20:44
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Goodness, gosh and golly gee.

It has been a wee while since the deplorable Andrew was brought into the conversation with a but but but Aaaaaandrew.

Still. It is the familiarity thing innit.

and you know what familiarity breeds…

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:45

Uricon2 · 19/06/2024 20:43

Our ancestors similarly scared themselves. Tumbledown Dick Cromwell at least had the sense to see that if they were going to have an unelected HoS, a Stuart had more going for them with the populace than him.

A farming life for him!
Thus ending the only actual Interregnum!

PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 20:46

StormzyinaTCup · 19/06/2024 20:41

Republic has 9,000 members (May 23)

Not that I am pro-Brexit, but UKIP had 0 members in 1990 and look where it had got to by 2015.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:46

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:38

There is no such thing as an interregnum.
When the monarch dies, the next in line becomes the monarch.
The only Interregnum that actually happened, was the rule of Oliver Cromwell.

Ok period before the death and Coronation. Coronation not assumed. Like a fixed term Parliament the vote happens 6 months after the death of the monarch and if yes then the Coronation happens 6 months later. A very British revolution if it does happen and a continuation of tradition if it doesn't. I'm making all this up as I go along I'm not sure it is a republican theory that I have thus far read. If your heir is as popular as you say they are then you have nothing to worry about.

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:47

"period before the death and Coronation"
That makes no sense at all.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:48

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:47

"period before the death and Coronation"
That makes no sense at all.

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"after death and before Coronation" apologies for the misunderstanding.

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:48

The monarch actually has to die before the next Coronation can get underway.

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:49

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:48

"after death and before Coronation" apologies for the misunderstanding.

Edited

Ah, thank you!
I thought that was odd!

RoseAndRose · 19/06/2024 20:49

PracticallyYesterday · 19/06/2024 20:46

Not that I am pro-Brexit, but UKIP had 0 members in 1990 and look where it had got to by 2015.

Exactly.

Republic has been around for far longer and just hasn't built anything like that support.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:52

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 20:48

The monarch actually has to die before the next Coronation can get underway.

Yes so Charles is safe as King until he dies and William has to to win the popular vote. Just thought the heir can abdicate at any point and trigger the replacement that this Royal Commission is going to deliberate on. So there is an honourable out if he wants it.

BasiliskStare · 19/06/2024 20:58

@IsoldeWagner Whilst we have a constitutional RF and I realise this may not be for ever as is not popular with all - I do think Princess Anne is going to be the best Queen we never had .

wordler · 19/06/2024 20:59

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 20:46

Ok period before the death and Coronation. Coronation not assumed. Like a fixed term Parliament the vote happens 6 months after the death of the monarch and if yes then the Coronation happens 6 months later. A very British revolution if it does happen and a continuation of tradition if it doesn't. I'm making all this up as I go along I'm not sure it is a republican theory that I have thus far read. If your heir is as popular as you say they are then you have nothing to worry about.

Actually that would be the worst time to vote as the British public get all sentimental around a big public funeral, and the public watching the ceremonial grieving the members of the royal family do.

Charles’ poll numbers shot up as soon as he became all mournful King missing his darling Mama.

Lots of people - royalists included - feared that the popularity of the monarchy was more about the late Queen and Charles was going to struggle but it didn’t happen.

Interstingly there was a poll in 2017/8 on who should be elected head of state and William came out top followed by David Attenborough.

TheFirmBiscuit · 19/06/2024 21:05

wordler · 19/06/2024 20:59

Actually that would be the worst time to vote as the British public get all sentimental around a big public funeral, and the public watching the ceremonial grieving the members of the royal family do.

Charles’ poll numbers shot up as soon as he became all mournful King missing his darling Mama.

Lots of people - royalists included - feared that the popularity of the monarchy was more about the late Queen and Charles was going to struggle but it didn’t happen.

Interstingly there was a poll in 2017/8 on who should be elected head of state and William came out top followed by David Attenborough.

Well you have nothing to fear then the monarchy will continue by popular acclaim. It would have to be a straight 50% of those who bothered to vote though. What's not to like ? If you win you have a rock solid constitutonal monarchy underpinned by the the people and the Graham Smith's banished for a generation. I'm sure he wouldn't like this idea as it's a hydbrid democractic construct that wouldnt pass his sniff test.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 19/06/2024 21:08

IsoldeWagner · 19/06/2024 19:43

No, starts to look less ridiculous, because it is more considered.
Excluding Harry from the line of succession could cut out Archie and Lilibet. A good way forward would be to ban those overseas from being in the LoS. Unfortunately, Harry would probably run back here toot sweet and they'd have to find another reason, but hey ho.

Agree with this and I would take it further, anyone with a British title should be resident in the UK and be educated in the UK, having a Prince and Princess of the United Kingdom who by all accounts are Americans with no connections to this country is utterly ridiculous, and Archie will inherit the Dukedom when Harry dies I presume, doubly ridiculous. I really hope William follows Denmarks lead and removes Archie and Lily’s titles, Charles wanted a slimmed down Monarchy, but what has actually happened is it has expanded, we have a faux branch in America who do nothing but undermine this country, it needs to stop and hopefully William has the balls to do it.

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