Harry’s litigation

[smilesy]

Harry has been mostly denied permission to increase the scope of his case against NGN. The judge has, quite rightly, allowed him to include new allegations of phone tapping and other accusations against private investigators and journalists. What he has not allowed is Harry to extend the timeline to include allegations around Diana or Meghan when she was his girlfriend. The judge also made disparaging remarks about Harry’s lawyers adding more and more detail, and going for “trophy targets”

Is Harry losing sight of what legal action should be for and becoming vexatious?

I don't think his house is 'gorgeous' but yes, he has immense privilege, all of it unearned. So materially speaking yes, he could have a great life.

However, he is alienated from almost his entire family and the friendship group he grew up with. He seems to have no real purpose in life. So while in many ways he is very well off, I'm not sure if his life is all that lovely.

Talk about be careful what you wish for.

I think you're being a bit unfair in some of that. I remember when Prince William became patron of Child Bereavement UK he talked about one personal impact on him “Never being able to say the word “Mummy” again in your life sounds like a small thing. However, for many, including me, it’s now really just a word — hollow and evoking only memories”

The thing is, as William a lot of us have experienced that - admittedly not as publicly and traumatically as the princes, but we experienced it none the less. We manage to move on and not perpetually use the childhood loss of a parent as a stick to beat everyone with and a prop to our existence.

@Sloejelly

Given his admitted drug use, even if Harry wanted to fly a rescue helicopter, I doubt he’d be allowed.

For info the Feds have some limited degree of forgiveness when it comes to past drugs use and licence issue.

The bigger problem is that (AFAIK) H has never held a civilian flying licence, either in the US or UK, and hasn’t flown for years. As a result he would have to go pretty much back to square one at a flight school, would possibly include a load of written exams, before starting to get anywhere near qualified enough for an air sea rescue job….

That would need money (which I guess he still has), plus time, plus motivation/commitment….

Worse still, @notimagain, he'd presumably be doing any future flight training in the US, which doesn't contain folk from the palace/British establishment to "encourage" the overlooking of any inedequacies

In the UK "they're treated just like everyone else" became a bit of a joke over the years, but in a nation where his title isn't recognised it might even become a burden no matter how much he loves to chuck it around

For info the Feds have some limited degree of forgiveness when it comes to past drugs use and licence issue.

Past being the crucial point.

I think part of Harry's problem, possibly a large part, is that he lacks intellectual interests and resources. He hasn't got what is sometimes described as 'a well stocked mind'. He has nothing to think about except himself and his grievances.

W & H aren't even the only members of their own extended family to have suffered bereavement at a young age/in traumatic circumstances. There's Timothy Knatchbull, for example, who lost his identical twin when he was 14. He has written about how he set about healing himself.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that any “inadequacies” in terms of pilot training would be overlooked in the UK. That would be a massive safety issue

Don't know why my reply above has been auto-hidden. Doesn't contain any links, and I can't think of any words I used that might have triggered it.

I agree with pp who have said that Harry’s issue is that he wants status to the exclusion of everything else. Hence the logical disconnect between “not being safe” on the UK, yet being entirely happy in the much less safe environment of Nigeria. He is used to the full shebang over here so doesn’t see why he shouldn’t have it any more. As many have said previously, it’s nothing to do with actually being unsafe. His disputes and litigation with the press are also rooted in him trying to prove that he needs security over here. He hasn’t properly evaluated what actually happened to Diana so blames the amorphous “press” and insists he is prey to them too. I am not seeking to excuse how NGN have behaved, I’m just not sure that Harry has been targeted as much as he would like to claim

You could be right @smilesy, though the safety issue would depend on what exactly he was doing, but really I meant it more generally in that Harry's can't expect the automatic level of support his title involved in the UK

Edited to add fully agree about the security, but then that's just one more thing where the assumptions he might have made in the UK won't apply elsewhere.
But then - at the risk of sounding like a broken record - that was his choice and he'll just have to live with it

What he doesn't want is an assessment of his security needs, because he feels that should be automatic because he is so important.
That's the issue, and the taxpayer should pay.

Exactly.

And another sign of this is his misjudged 'banter' with John Travolta (about JT 'dining out' on his dance with Diana) at that awards ceremony. He got away with all kinds of disrespectful and nasty behaviour when he was a royal (eg punching the drummer of Foo Fighters for absolutely no reason - what fun to be punched by a prince!) and is probably surprised people are less willing to see it as Harry being a fun guy as when he was a) royal and be) young.

I think a lot of chickens are coming home to roost.

The Duke of Windsor ended up a sad man in his pretend Court being made a cuckold by his wife. It was a tragedy of his own making though.

That's the way he was. Arrogant, greedy, mendacious. Prepared to sell out his brother. Living with an unpleasant, ambitious and duplicitous wife who only cared for status, clothes and jewellery.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12673407/amp/Unearthed-lost-memoir-Edward-VIII-reveals-truth-Wallis-Simpson-convinced-marry-King.html

I won't apologise that this is from the DM. This article is so very interesting and it sounds so familiar! It's a long one but well worth reading. It's like Spare the Prologue except this man was King.

I just finished reading Tommy Lascelles's diary ( then on sale on Kindle). He mentioned that he thought the big problem with the Duke of Windsor was that he never read a book, and was unable to be removed from himself for another perspective.

When I read that passage, I thought of Harry. A few well -written and interesting histories of the UK might have been a useful read for him.

Apologies from me too (it's the Express this time ) but at least Harry's not yet been seen wearing a paper crown, bestowed by tthe guy his wife had an affair with: https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1714866/edward-viii-wallis-simpson-affair-jimmy-donahue-new-years-eve-spt

You'll neeed to scroll down for the pic ...

Oh my god. So similar.

The Duke of Windsor also dissed his brother's wife. 🙄 He needed to marry for love. Look where that got him. It's almost as if he was a template for Harry.

'Of course there have been many happy marriages of convenience, my brother George's as a fine example. But it all depends on one's make-up and mine just wasn't that sort.'

Hmmm

Did he mean I wonder George VI known to the family as Bertie or his brother George Duke of Kent?

It must be Bertie because the awful Wallis referred to Elizabeth as "the fat Scotch cook".
How it must have stuck in her craw when Elizabeth became Queen!

There was also this from the ex Edwards VIII: 'It was my honesty, my chivalry and my good manners that offended in certain quarters, whereas duplicity and camouflage would have satisfied my hypocritical critics'

I hate to do a "but Andrew" moment, but ... Andrew's "I admit my judgement was probably coloured by my tendency to be too honourable"^^ ??

@WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout it said my brother George.

Oops sorry yes I see what you mean !