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I've never understood this, why they don't speak out about hate in their name.

I think its becoming clearer by the day why they don't, they are so closely connected to the ones creating the most vile chatter.

We were hearing about H&Ms' connections to these people for a long time, but I was always sceptical about it, , until they started openly interacting with them, Bouzy, the Sussex squad 'groupies' , now this guy (who I had never heard of before). I am becoming less sceptical about the reports they are funded directly by H&M.

It is quite shocking they are so openly linked to them and encouraging them, I suspect more will come out over time.

The titles thing…. Linked, not ranked, wasn’t it? 🤔

According to that bracelet? Yes.
According to the way they behave? No.

Saw this and had to share it with you guys 😂

I sometimes wonder if one or more of them will turn against them one day and spill the beans !?

It is quite shocking they are so openly linked to (the Sussex Squad) and encouraging them, I suspect more will come out over time

Yet another thing the palace are probably well aware of, but which we may or may not find out; after all they have the money and influence needed to dig

If's true about additional links, is it any wonder H&M are being snubbed even by Charles now? The RF may be bad enough in themselves, but who in their right mind would welcome this sort of toxicity?

It’s possible H&M are actually scared that the squad will turn on them. Remember what happened to Taylor Swift in the middle of her career. She came out the other side but there’s no guarantee. These fanatical squads can be something of a Frankenstein’s monster.

Taylor Swift has talent and a significant body of work. That's a good foundation for riding out a temporary storm.

This is where it's important to have moral courage.
What did Meghan say about silence meaning you're complicit?

I was going to make a point about security services on another thread but it's now full. However I think that it might be equally relevant to the discussions of Nigerian trip and matters arising.

Does Harry ever even cop on to what his father does for a job? And what William will eventually do? From Spyscape:

'As Monarch, King Charles receives regular security briefings from the spy agencies along with the daily ‘red box’ of secrets - including intelligence reports, Cabinet papers, and secret reports from Commonwealth countries - delivered wherever in the world he may be.'

And the US Presidents and security services have always been concerned about the security and the welfare of the UK's Head of State and the monarch's immediate line of succession.

I think the plan that was hatched to 'contain' Harry in California is clearly not working. I wonder what the plan is now? I suppose it'll depend on whether some of the bad actors involved in the Sussex Co-ordination Club are taking money from or have ties with states hostile to US and UK interests or not.

Nigeria is an interesting one because US and UK multi-nationals are happy to crawl all over it to exploit and grub for natural resources while not lifting the bulk of the population out of poverty. But so are Russia and China - there have been some big investments from both. Nigeria currently owes China $billions. As is widely know, corruption and money-laundering are rife in Nigeria, and for the leaderships of Russia and China, the name of the game is the destabilisation of western ways of life, by whatever means possible.

If MI5 and MI6 know what's going on, and they will, then Charles knows.

@AutumnCrow that is a really good point: How much does Harry know about the job his father is doing now? I wouldn’t think his grandmother would have mentioned much to them as children.

I think the statement they put out on Sussex Royal and the case against RAVEC is pretty convincing proof that he has never grasped what being Monarch actually means in terms of the political, social, psychological and cultural life of the nation. . No wonder Meghan seems to have assumed the Royal family were uber celebrities, any constitutional complexity completely passed Harry by so she had no chance to appreciate what she was getting herself into.

I agree with this . Meghan saw 2 brothers and assumed they would be treated equally but Harry didn’t explain about protocol. Tension arose between the 2 couples because Harry and Meghan don’t have the same status . An early example was the wedding venue ; Harry said they wanted Westminster Abbey or St Paul’s but were told no . Also, no red carpet.
It was a disaster from the start.

Harry is very ignorant generally I think. He didn't go to University and failed most of his exams. I didn't get the impression from reading Spare that he understands much about the constitutional role of the King or the position his brother is in. It's a bit worrying really that he seems to understand so little of what his family actually represent.

He wasn't a working Royal before he married so that side of things would have been completely new to him. He was just used to being able to use his position as prince as leverage and made the most of the perks without thinking about how fortunate he is. I think since he has left its perhaps beginning to dawn on him that he really didn't have a clue what real life was about, and no clue about what his family are about either.

Really , you think Harry should have explained to her that the King has precedence over more junior members of the family, and that the person in line to be King is more important than his younger brother? Even someone with a vague knowledge of fairy tales would have understood that.

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Meghan saw 2 brothers and assumed they would be treated equally but Harry didn’t explain about protocol. Tension arose between the 2 couples because Harry and Meghan don’t have the same status

Yes - and this wouldn't have been a problem at all if one of the pair hadn't been a petulant spoilt man-child, raging with resentment against his sibling and the other a narcissistic attention-hungry diva who will not countenance playing second fiddle to anyone.

Despite both Harry's and Meghan's apparent (or claimed) ignorance about protocol etc, that itself isn't the root cause of the disaster. It's definitely to do with their horrible personalities. Most people would be happy and humble enough to learn and fit in to the team (Sophie, Catherine, even Prince Philip in his day) but not these two prima donnas.

Not necessarily, I have lots of American friends and the conversations I have had with them about protocol and the intersection of royal family and society here have been fascinating. It's something that is really hard to grasp if you haven't grown up with it, particularly if you live in a country where class depends on wealth not who your grandfather was. I have only really come to understand how strange the whole thing is through explaining it to others. I've also come to appreciate the system of constitutional monarchy but that's another post.

Fairy tales don't tell you about how diaries are coordinated, how the interests of those higher up the line of succession have to take precedence over yours, how certain royal jewels are only worn by certain people and some jewels can't be worn in public, how to navigate being a family with tiaras in a credit crunch, how saying anything to defend yourself will make a tabloid feeding frenzy far far worse, how your family will be hounded and every little negative thing you have ever done or said will be magnified ...

Fairy tales teach us that true love can overcome every obstacle, that step parents are the worst thing ever, the importance of avoiding fruit and that having feet of a unique size snags you a Prince.

Despite both Harry's and Meghan's apparent (or claimed) ignorance about protocol etc, that itself isn't the root cause of the disaster. It's definitely to do with their horrible personalities

I wonder sometimes if Kate or Sophie come on here and nod in recognition when they read the threads about toxic BILs and SILs. 😆

Not necessarily, I have lots of American friends and the conversations I have had with them about protocol and the intersection of royal family and society here have been fascinating

I used to work in an American bank and recall having long conversations in the pub with American colleague who'd ask me why the RF is of German origin. I think I kicked it off by saying, 'Well, it all really started with Henry VIII...'

Does Harry ever even cop on to what his father does for a job? And what William will eventually do?

I'm not convinced Harry cops on to anything beyond his wishes of the moment, AutumnCrow; he clearly lacks the judgement to consider the bigger picture, and after all he could get away with it while within the institution

It occurs to me that he's not so very different in temperament to his late great aunt Margaret, except she did the "poor me" on the back of supposedly not being allowed to marry the man she loved (though actually she could have done) and Harry does it on the basis of the little lad behind the coffin and his ongoing obsession with his mother

They both made a great deal of their "victimhood" and both went on to lead rackety lifestyles, though in fairness to Margaret at least she didn't slag off and lie about the family in public

M will have done a lot of homework, she’s no fool. She thought she’d be able to to charm her way to more power & influence. NB: the small things, tiaras & flowergirl tights.

It occurs to me that he's not so very different in temperament to his late great aunt Margaret

Or Edward VIII.

Apparently when she and the late queen were children, courtiers used to say quietly to each other that lucky it was that Elizabeth was the eldest. I bet the later generation of grey suits are saying that about William.

And of course if you go back further they are French!

So true! I think if PH was the elder brother it would be the end of the BRF, the public wouldn't put up with him, no chance

And of course if you go back further they are French!

Yup, a whole other conversation. Try explaining the 'well, not really French more Viking, at least in 1066, but getting more French until they became half Scottish/Danish/French etc etc again and THEN German.'