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The royal family

Constitutional chaos.

237 replies

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 09:28

Kate is ill (reasons plural - physical and mental etc) but what if that isn’t the main story.

What if the rumours are true and Rose Chum’s third child is William’s? Born 2016, she’s older than Louis.

Massive constitutional headache. Does Daughter Chum enter the line of succession ahead of Louis? Illegitimate but maybe people would demand William treat her as an equal child. Maybe this is what Rishi Sunak has been grappling with.

There would be huge public/social splits on the issue. Church of England issues filling the papers, endless ‘Well, what is the point of marriage’ op-eds from lawyers, and so on. Plus KC3 with health looking shaky….

And what about Kate? Stay or go?

Big ole mess.

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trollopolis · 16/03/2024 10:32

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 09:34

Not really. I’m a lawyer and constitutional law is an interest.

At least I’m not pruriently discussing what illness Kate may have. Lots of those threads.

A lawyer with a constitutional interest who doesn't know that only legitimate DC born within a marriage approved by the monarch (first 6 in line) enter the succession?

Interesting oversight of the absolute basics

Hagbard · 16/03/2024 10:35

Didn't they used to deal with this by sticking a "Fitz" in front of the kings name, so any illegitimate offspring would be Fitzwilliams? (Bastard of the king)

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:36

*There’s a ton of threads about it. And a load of TV interviews. And it was the main BBC Newcast story this week.

And you are commenting on this thread.

No one I know is talking about it They are.*

Yes, press re that photo.

Tons of ON LINE. An absolute frenzy granted.

BUT back in REAL LIFE. You know that OTHER PLACE?????

NO ONE REALLY CARES.

My friend's son said to her " who's Kate Middleton ? "

And so to think people are clamouring or even expressing an interest in law changes re children born out of wedlock in relation to this ?. Nah, arse.

I'm on here 🤷‍♀️ so what?

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:39

" Constitutional Chaos". what a joke.

Harry's parentage has always been called into question. He's still in line to the throne, no?

DappledThings · 16/03/2024 10:39

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 10:06

Exactly - the change came about as a result of societal change. Although I take your point that the change was made in anticipation not after the event.

I think the societal pressures would be huge to accept an ‘equal’ relationship with all offspring equally - especially if he was a divorcee.

What do you mean "exactly"? I'm disagreeing with you. I don't think there would be societal pressure to acknowledge a bastard as a legitimate heir and even if there was I don't think it would lead to a change in the law.

Bumblebeeinatree · 16/03/2024 10:41

If you allow illegitimate children to inherit the whole current RF would be out, there were dozens(?) of children before Victoria in line to the throne but none of them legitimate. Not going to happen in the remote chance the rumour was true. I don't think William would have an affair after what happened to his Mother and Father, I think he is far too family orientated.

Maireas · 16/03/2024 10:41

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:39

" Constitutional Chaos". what a joke.

Harry's parentage has always been called into question. He's still in line to the throne, no?

Yes he is. Because all that was rumour. He looks like Charles and Philip. If there was an issue, he could have a DNA test.

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 10:43

DappledThings · 16/03/2024 10:39

What do you mean "exactly"? I'm disagreeing with you. I don't think there would be societal pressure to acknowledge a bastard as a legitimate heir and even if there was I don't think it would lead to a change in the law.

The ‘exactly’ was in reference to the difference in Anne vs Charlotte. Societal change.

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sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:43

Yes he is. Because all that was rumour. He looks like Charles and Philip. If there was an issue, he could have a DNA test.

And this isn't RUMOUR ?

Harry isn't taking a DNA test anytime soon. Please.

This is ALL rumour and gossip.

Maireas · 16/03/2024 10:44

That's what I'm saying, @sunglassesonthetable it's all rumour. No evidence. Ridiculous.

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 10:45

trollopolis · 16/03/2024 10:32

A lawyer with a constitutional interest who doesn't know that only legitimate DC born within a marriage approved by the monarch (first 6 in line) enter the succession?

Interesting oversight of the absolute basics

You will see in my OP I mentioned Rishi Sunak. That is because I know the law as it is, and also recognise that the law can change.

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sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:46

There would be huge public/social splits on the issue. Church of England issues filling the papers, endless ‘Well, what is the point of marriage’ op-eds from lawyers, and so on. Plus KC3 with health looking shaky….

Or just nothing. As always. While the internet eats itself up.

Maireas · 16/03/2024 10:47

Rishi Sunak I suspect is more concerned about other things than unsubstantiated rumour.

Lifebeganat50 · 16/03/2024 10:48

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 09:34

Not really. I’m a lawyer and constitutional law is an interest.

At least I’m not pruriently discussing what illness Kate may have. Lots of those threads.

Well you are as you’ve just said she’s mentally ill!

Theres a HUGE difference between feeling a bit shit about something, which is what’s been reported and being mentally ill

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:48

You will see in my OP I mentioned Rishi Sunak. That is because I know the law as it is, and also recognise that the law can change.

You don't have to know the law can change to also know that it doesn't hinge on rumours of parentage .

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 10:50

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:48

You will see in my OP I mentioned Rishi Sunak. That is because I know the law as it is, and also recognise that the law can change.

You don't have to know the law can change to also know that it doesn't hinge on rumours of parentage .

I think you might have missed the two ‘what if’s in my OP.

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sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:51

No didn't miss it.

Maireas · 16/03/2024 10:51

So, I've asked before so maybe you missed it - what's the evidence for this child's existence?

Maireas · 16/03/2024 10:52

I've searched the BBC website. Nothing.

sunglassesonthetable · 16/03/2024 10:54

If you are a lawyer, you're on here because it's too embarrassing to be speculating this tittle tattle amongst you know, your real life lawyer pals who would know a thing or to.

They've all got better things to talk about.

roastedrapidly · 16/03/2024 10:54

It always interest me what kind of people buy into and continue to feed these type of rumours, without a single shred of evidence people just make things up.

What kind of people do that?

HungerPangs · 16/03/2024 10:56

Honestly, if you don’t read threads like this online, you wouldn’t have a clue about any of this. I certainly didn’t.

Kate is mentally ill because Will shagged her mate and got her pregnant? Seriously?!

Mumsnet in 2024 is like the good old Daily Sport in 1994. Bonkers.

MrsLeonFarrell · 16/03/2024 10:59

The OP is a lawyer.
There exists an affair baby.

Two statements with no evidence presented.

One piece of actual evidence, the BBC newscast podcast discussed the photograph problem and nothing else.

People must be exhausted thinking up new names for all these ridiculous threads.

Samcro · 16/03/2024 10:59

im confused by these endless threads. (reminds me of the 100's bashing Meghan)
why do the op's not just join in one of the dozen or so existing threads????

ProudMNslapper · 16/03/2024 10:59

An interesting illustration of the fact that 50% of the members of any profession have a performance below average.