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Rose Hanbury is everywhere!

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Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 08:52

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lady-rose-hanbury-marchioness-of-cholmondeley-princess-kate-best-friend-childhood-children-marriage-b1144827.html

Yet another piece! What are they trying to tell us without telling us?
Rose went to Stowe so presumably had a knowledge of Wills inner circle growing up.. But why all the articles!

Lady Rose Hanbury: Kate’s party-loving close friend with a Saltburn-esque upbringing

While the Marchioness of Cholmondeley is one of Kate Middleton’s best-known associates, they couldn’t be less alike. Maddy Mussen reports on the flamboyant life of her party-loving lookalike

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lady-rose-hanbury-marchioness-of-cholmondeley-princess-kate-best-friend-childhood-children-marriage-b1144827.html

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PumpkinPieAlibi · 14/03/2024 13:17

I have no horse in this race but just to say, Giles Coren did not start this rumour. He did perpetuate and later deny the rumour, which is not proof of anything as the Palace is known to pressure persons to remove SM content they believe is damning, (case in point – William and the RyanAir pegging meme). Equally he could have just been lying.

Nevertheless, many other journalists and persons in the media confirmed that they too had heard rumours of the alleged affair and that it was fairly well-known in certain circles but that they were unable to speak more openly about it. Either way, no one knows enough to categorically confirm or deny anything.

TL:DR – The rumour has been around way before Giles Coren and corroborated by many other press personnel. No one really knows. Make of that what you will.

PinkTonic · 14/03/2024 13:18

Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 12:33

But she's just another aristo, they have their pick! Why Rose & how did the rumours start..

People like you started them and pushed them until they gained traction. Like you’re clearly doing now.

LoreleiG · 14/03/2024 13:19

NineofPopes · 14/03/2024 11:20

But Rose Hanbury was at the centre of a rumour-mill years and years back — from what I remember she and her now-husband (who is 20 years plus older) announced their engagement, then the next day that she was pregnant (with what must now be teenage twins, one of whom is their heir to the marquessate) , and then got married about 48 hours after that, and the twins’ DOB suggested she was well into the pregnancy when they announced their engagement — I vaguely remember all kinds of rumours, such as him being gay/bi but usually into men, her being a beard to provide an heir, some kind of shenanigans about which twin inherited if it’s a CS and they’re ‘born’ simultaneously etc.

Which is not to say that any of it is true, only that RH isn’t new to the rumour mill.

So the gossip could be true or could be both misogynistic and ageist - the couples were clearly good friends but would the rumour exist if her husband wasn’t a lot older and she hadn’t been pregnant when married? As a pp said, newspapers live for royal scandals and enjoy creating them.

Severalwhippets · 14/03/2024 13:21

I can see both sides.

On one side the journalists have known about the affair between Rose and William for years (The DM published the photos of them kissing) they are also aware I guess of the open secret that William and Kate have been leading separate lives for some time.

It’s probably very frustrating and against their journalistic instinct, and no doubt integrity when they have to print all the gloopy happy family shit produced by KP to throw to the masses. It’s misleading the public to some degree. The news outlets have without a shadow of doubt put their foot down when the Mother’s Day photo which was so brazenly sloppy was produced for publication - the final straw so to speak. And they collectively with one or two exceptions refused. En masse. A warning shot to KP.

Kate and to some extent William could well be furious by being taken out publicly like this. There is always the Diana lesson sitting in the background muzzling freedom of the press.

Megan said she was suicidal- the media know the risks, but when does it become silencing? When does it become deception? Manipulating the public?
After all the public are paying an enormous amount to have a royal family - something around public interest and where exactly is the boundary? Assuming the divorce rumours are true - surely the public should know? It’s very difficult and opaque on both sides. Where is the KP PR strategy??

LoreleiG · 14/03/2024 13:22

PumpkinPieAlibi · 14/03/2024 13:17

I have no horse in this race but just to say, Giles Coren did not start this rumour. He did perpetuate and later deny the rumour, which is not proof of anything as the Palace is known to pressure persons to remove SM content they believe is damning, (case in point – William and the RyanAir pegging meme). Equally he could have just been lying.

Nevertheless, many other journalists and persons in the media confirmed that they too had heard rumours of the alleged affair and that it was fairly well-known in certain circles but that they were unable to speak more openly about it. Either way, no one knows enough to categorically confirm or deny anything.

TL:DR – The rumour has been around way before Giles Coren and corroborated by many other press personnel. No one really knows. Make of that what you will.

Fair enough. I thought Giles said he had made it up but must have misunderstood.

ReverseFerrets · 14/03/2024 13:27

The Rose rumour started in March 2019 with Dan Wootton in the shit rag that is The Sun, where he had a showbiz column for before moving to GB News. He had a history of absolutely hating William at the time. It started with a story of a falling out between the two women and division within their circle, and the conjecture as to why inevitably led to the affair rumour. It circulated in the press both sides of the Atlantic, but quickly died over here because some of the subjects in the article threatened libel - namely Rose's brother who had been quoted in it and, allegedly, William himself. However, the story did not die in the States or on SM.

Hadley Freeman of the Guardian put out a tweet asking what was going on, saying she was a gauche, clueless American and asking someone just to spit out whatever coded messages were being made. Giles Coren - later admitting he was drunk from a boozy lunch - tweeted back that, yes, it's an affair, everybody knows about it "even us Jews" is what he said. A couple of years later he admitted on Instagram that the whole thing was a compete fabrication and that he did not know or run in the circles of the people involved. But too late, because it was picked up by others on SM as a now substantiated rumour, and the whole thing snowballed. Gossip columnists, including Laineygossip picked up on Coren's tweet as being from a blue tick and an establishment/in the know type (even though he knew fuck all, never mind the people involved).

In particular, someone called Nicole Cliffe, a Meghan Markel fan, picked up on Coren's tweet and provided her own long editorial on the matter on Twitter, saying that the affair was the real reason for William and Harry becoming frosty - nothing to do with Meghan, everything to do with Harry being upset that his brother would cheat. She's another blue tick, so this was picked up as authentic and authoritative, and repeated over and over by the people in whose interest it was for this made up theory to be true. Coren and Cliffe became the sources for the "truth" of the rumour. When Giles Coren recanted a couple of years later on Instagram, Cliffe also did a reverse ferret, saying she was a private person with no special information or direct knowledge of what she had written, just a theory. So the two principal SM sources of the rumour basically said that they respectively made up a drunken lie and made up a fantasy story that favoured her favourite royals.

So in short: The Wooten story didn't stand up to a threatened libel action, Coren was lying whilst drunk, and Cliffe made up a "theory" completely out of thin air. And this, members of the jury, is the evidence of the alleged affair.

LiterallyOnFire · 14/03/2024 13:27

On one side the journalists have known about the affair between Rose and William for years (The DM published the photos of them kissing) they are also aware I guess of the open secret that William and Kate have been leading separate lives for some time.

I see. So we're all supposed to dash off on the hunt for these alleged pictures of PW kissing RH?

Bollox, quite honestly. If they existed we'd have heard about them by now.

You're not the only one in the thread trying to churn the traffic, either.

What a pig sty.

Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 13:30

Severalwhippets · 14/03/2024 13:21

I can see both sides.

On one side the journalists have known about the affair between Rose and William for years (The DM published the photos of them kissing) they are also aware I guess of the open secret that William and Kate have been leading separate lives for some time.

It’s probably very frustrating and against their journalistic instinct, and no doubt integrity when they have to print all the gloopy happy family shit produced by KP to throw to the masses. It’s misleading the public to some degree. The news outlets have without a shadow of doubt put their foot down when the Mother’s Day photo which was so brazenly sloppy was produced for publication - the final straw so to speak. And they collectively with one or two exceptions refused. En masse. A warning shot to KP.

Kate and to some extent William could well be furious by being taken out publicly like this. There is always the Diana lesson sitting in the background muzzling freedom of the press.

Megan said she was suicidal- the media know the risks, but when does it become silencing? When does it become deception? Manipulating the public?
After all the public are paying an enormous amount to have a royal family - something around public interest and where exactly is the boundary? Assuming the divorce rumours are true - surely the public should know? It’s very difficult and opaque on both sides. Where is the KP PR strategy??

This is an excellent reply. These people (with the exception of Rose & her family) are living off state coffers. They cannot really decide when to pick & choose their privacy.
This is exactly why Chelsea decided she did not want to become a Bride of Windsor. It's why Meghan also escaped the first chance she got!
Chelsea & Meghan both realised you can't have it both ways.

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CantDealwithChristmas · 14/03/2024 13:31

Giles Coren was pressured by the Palace to deny the rumour.

Harbottle & Lewis sent out cease & desist letters in 2019 to the UK media after the US mag In Touch broke the story of PW's alleged affair.

Just this week the Palace actually got Ryanair to delete their tweet making fun of PW about his alleged affair.

It's easy for us on the outside to say that KP's PR are useless and not doing anything but actually they're working very hard.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/03/2024 13:31

Maybe it's not HIM Rose had the affair with....

Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 13:34

ReverseFerrets · 14/03/2024 13:27

The Rose rumour started in March 2019 with Dan Wootton in the shit rag that is The Sun, where he had a showbiz column for before moving to GB News. He had a history of absolutely hating William at the time. It started with a story of a falling out between the two women and division within their circle, and the conjecture as to why inevitably led to the affair rumour. It circulated in the press both sides of the Atlantic, but quickly died over here because some of the subjects in the article threatened libel - namely Rose's brother who had been quoted in it and, allegedly, William himself. However, the story did not die in the States or on SM.

Hadley Freeman of the Guardian put out a tweet asking what was going on, saying she was a gauche, clueless American and asking someone just to spit out whatever coded messages were being made. Giles Coren - later admitting he was drunk from a boozy lunch - tweeted back that, yes, it's an affair, everybody knows about it "even us Jews" is what he said. A couple of years later he admitted on Instagram that the whole thing was a compete fabrication and that he did not know or run in the circles of the people involved. But too late, because it was picked up by others on SM as a now substantiated rumour, and the whole thing snowballed. Gossip columnists, including Laineygossip picked up on Coren's tweet as being from a blue tick and an establishment/in the know type (even though he knew fuck all, never mind the people involved).

In particular, someone called Nicole Cliffe, a Meghan Markel fan, picked up on Coren's tweet and provided her own long editorial on the matter on Twitter, saying that the affair was the real reason for William and Harry becoming frosty - nothing to do with Meghan, everything to do with Harry being upset that his brother would cheat. She's another blue tick, so this was picked up as authentic and authoritative, and repeated over and over by the people in whose interest it was for this made up theory to be true. Coren and Cliffe became the sources for the "truth" of the rumour. When Giles Coren recanted a couple of years later on Instagram, Cliffe also did a reverse ferret, saying she was a private person with no special information or direct knowledge of what she had written, just a theory. So the two principal SM sources of the rumour basically said that they respectively made up a drunken lie and made up a fantasy story that favoured her favourite royals.

So in short: The Wooten story didn't stand up to a threatened libel action, Coren was lying whilst drunk, and Cliffe made up a "theory" completely out of thin air. And this, members of the jury, is the evidence of the alleged affair.

You mention 2019 but this article here is from 2016 when the media starting honing in on Rose & comparing her to Kate so 8 years ago around the time Kate would have been expecting or just prior to conceiving Louis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3657396/Who-s-Queen-Bee-turnip-toffs-rural-Norfolk-neighbours-ve-got-common-sorry-Kate-superglam-Marchioness-Cholmondeley-lives-grander-style.html?ito=whatsapp_share_article-top

Who's Queen Bee of the turnip toffs?

Rose Hanbury, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley, hosted Kate and Prince William at her grand Norfolk home for a black gala dinner just three-and-a-half miles from Amner Hall.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3657396/Who-s-Queen-Bee-turnip-toffs-rural-Norfolk-neighbours-ve-got-common-sorry-Kate-superglam-Marchioness-Cholmondeley-lives-grander-style.html?ito=whatsapp_share_article-top

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ReverseFerrets · 14/03/2024 13:38

So what of the 2016 article? It’s just your typical article pitting women in a social circle against each other. How is it proof of an affair?

BenefitWaffle · 14/03/2024 13:40

@ReverseFerrets what proof do you want?

LoreleiG · 14/03/2024 13:41

Severalwhippets · 14/03/2024 13:21

I can see both sides.

On one side the journalists have known about the affair between Rose and William for years (The DM published the photos of them kissing) they are also aware I guess of the open secret that William and Kate have been leading separate lives for some time.

It’s probably very frustrating and against their journalistic instinct, and no doubt integrity when they have to print all the gloopy happy family shit produced by KP to throw to the masses. It’s misleading the public to some degree. The news outlets have without a shadow of doubt put their foot down when the Mother’s Day photo which was so brazenly sloppy was produced for publication - the final straw so to speak. And they collectively with one or two exceptions refused. En masse. A warning shot to KP.

Kate and to some extent William could well be furious by being taken out publicly like this. There is always the Diana lesson sitting in the background muzzling freedom of the press.

Megan said she was suicidal- the media know the risks, but when does it become silencing? When does it become deception? Manipulating the public?
After all the public are paying an enormous amount to have a royal family - something around public interest and where exactly is the boundary? Assuming the divorce rumours are true - surely the public should know? It’s very difficult and opaque on both sides. Where is the KP PR strategy??

Ah yes, the open secret that only people living inside the M25 boundary know.

Firkinhavinalaugh · 14/03/2024 13:41

@Missingprincess she may be an aristo but she did it all wrong making her a target - older man, pregnant before being engaged, twins 🤯 pushy mother apparently, gay/bi husband apparently friends now not apparently.

these are “not” what good aristocratic girls should do <clutches pearls>

the press have bullied, belittled and made up shit forever about women. Before Xmas the POW was the darling - she takes some time out for an operation (something she wants to keep private) and because shes not playing ball and taking some much deserved time out (yes she’s “paid” for now but for years she was bullied for free) the vultures are out.

Even if ALL the rumours and conspiracy theories were true these are two mothers of children, but if they’re not (and they can’t all be) one is only in the public eye because everyone keeps googling her name.

CantDealwithChristmas · 14/03/2024 13:42

ReverseFerrets · 14/03/2024 13:27

The Rose rumour started in March 2019 with Dan Wootton in the shit rag that is The Sun, where he had a showbiz column for before moving to GB News. He had a history of absolutely hating William at the time. It started with a story of a falling out between the two women and division within their circle, and the conjecture as to why inevitably led to the affair rumour. It circulated in the press both sides of the Atlantic, but quickly died over here because some of the subjects in the article threatened libel - namely Rose's brother who had been quoted in it and, allegedly, William himself. However, the story did not die in the States or on SM.

Hadley Freeman of the Guardian put out a tweet asking what was going on, saying she was a gauche, clueless American and asking someone just to spit out whatever coded messages were being made. Giles Coren - later admitting he was drunk from a boozy lunch - tweeted back that, yes, it's an affair, everybody knows about it "even us Jews" is what he said. A couple of years later he admitted on Instagram that the whole thing was a compete fabrication and that he did not know or run in the circles of the people involved. But too late, because it was picked up by others on SM as a now substantiated rumour, and the whole thing snowballed. Gossip columnists, including Laineygossip picked up on Coren's tweet as being from a blue tick and an establishment/in the know type (even though he knew fuck all, never mind the people involved).

In particular, someone called Nicole Cliffe, a Meghan Markel fan, picked up on Coren's tweet and provided her own long editorial on the matter on Twitter, saying that the affair was the real reason for William and Harry becoming frosty - nothing to do with Meghan, everything to do with Harry being upset that his brother would cheat. She's another blue tick, so this was picked up as authentic and authoritative, and repeated over and over by the people in whose interest it was for this made up theory to be true. Coren and Cliffe became the sources for the "truth" of the rumour. When Giles Coren recanted a couple of years later on Instagram, Cliffe also did a reverse ferret, saying she was a private person with no special information or direct knowledge of what she had written, just a theory. So the two principal SM sources of the rumour basically said that they respectively made up a drunken lie and made up a fantasy story that favoured her favourite royals.

So in short: The Wooten story didn't stand up to a threatened libel action, Coren was lying whilst drunk, and Cliffe made up a "theory" completely out of thin air. And this, members of the jury, is the evidence of the alleged affair.

No it was reported in the US mag In Touch in early 2019 and The Sun picked it up from there. Scary libel lawyers Harbottle & Lewis then wrote threatening letters to all the UK press and so they all started backpedalling faster than you can say "why they hell do they pronounce Cholmondeley in that stupid way?"

Coren was one of the public fall guys.

BenefitWaffle · 14/03/2024 13:47

I agree Coren was just a public fall guy.

Firkinhavinalaugh · 14/03/2024 13:47

SleepingStandingUp · 14/03/2024 13:31

Maybe it's not HIM Rose had the affair with....

And that dear reader is how rumours start….

upinaballoon · 14/03/2024 13:49

If Giles Coren really did say, "Even us Jews know/knew", he should be ashamed of himself for a start for not saying, "Even we Jews knew...". How much money was spent on his education, I wonder.

I hear there's been an earth tremor in Dorset.

upinaballoon · 14/03/2024 13:50

Do Rose's children look like Lord Porchester or the Marquis of Milford-Haven?

LoreleiG · 14/03/2024 13:53

upinaballoon · 14/03/2024 13:49

If Giles Coren really did say, "Even us Jews know/knew", he should be ashamed of himself for a start for not saying, "Even we Jews knew...". How much money was spent on his education, I wonder.

I hear there's been an earth tremor in Dorset.

True although is probably proof he was pissed! He also drew attention to the lack of capitals, in his later post saying it was a joke.

VanCleefArpels · 14/03/2024 13:53

Stephen Colbert really crossed a line. I truly hope Rose Hanbury takes legal action on this

Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 13:55

ReverseFerrets · 14/03/2024 13:38

So what of the 2016 article? It’s just your typical article pitting women in a social circle against each other. How is it proof of an affair?

But why? They haven't pitted Kate against any other woman in such a huge article except for Meghan!
Why choose this woman way back in 2016, 8 years ago to do such an article on?
There is other women of a similar age & social standing living nearly by? Why Rose way back in 2016.
When the story broke in 2019 people apparently had been aware for quite a long time before that which would support the dms expose in 2016, 3 years prior to the rumours breaking!

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CantDealwithChristmas · 14/03/2024 13:56

VanCleefArpels · 14/03/2024 13:53

Stephen Colbert really crossed a line. I truly hope Rose Hanbury takes legal action on this

LOL. US libel and defamation law is much different from UK. In US it's the plaintiff that has to prove the information spoken or published was false. I doubt any legal action will be taken.

Missingprincess · 14/03/2024 13:57

LoreleiG · 14/03/2024 13:41

Ah yes, the open secret that only people living inside the M25 boundary know.

Well that circle is know as the Turnip Toffs, it does very much sound like a closed, secret society! Doubt any of us plebs could gain access!

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