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Are Harry, Meghan, Archie and Lili coming back home?

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NotMyPage · 07/03/2024 18:59

It would be nice to have them back and getting along with the rest of the family, what do people think? They'd have to apologise and try to move forward in a positive way. With Charles being unwell and elderly, and the Wales kids too young to serve as working royals, the Sussex's may be needed. Trump may win the election, which could have a negative impact on them and Archie will start school soon, a great time to relocate home?? Apparently Meghan is looking for PR agencies to help her improve her image. Would the Uk welcome them?

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Runnerinthenight · 07/03/2024 23:10

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 07/03/2024 23:08

It could suggest all of that.

Or it could also suggest him telling her what it’s “really” like and her taking that at face value… How would she know that he was telling her the wrong info?

It’s most likely a mix of rushing into things, her not looking into things properly and him having no clue about how his own family works. But it says a lot about him that he accepted being his wife’s sole guide to royal life, and I don’t doubt for a second that it suited him that she wasn’t scared off.

It’s very telling that of all Harry’s serious relationships the one he got down the aisle is the one that was woefully unprepared for what life as his wife was really like.

All of which supports William's attempt at urging caution, and that he should take his time to get to know her better.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 07/03/2024 23:12

And to know the inner workings of the RF - which chair is Anne’s favourite, which of the corgis is a biter, which of the security guys is a stickler for rules and which while go to the Maccy’s drive through etc you need someone in the family to tell you.

Same as you need someone inside to tell you that Sophie doesn’t give a shit about protocol in private, but Anne does, and you have to stand up and curtsy when granny comes in but Grampa just laughs if you do.

That’s not stuff you get in books.

That was Harry’s job. And he doesn’t appear to have done it.

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:15

He put them at risk when he left the Royal Family, and the security that went with that.

I see - so I suppose if anything does happen to those children if they were to visit the UK, you would feel it would be absolutely justified because he left the RF.

Like I said before - they are already home and based on attitudes like this towards him and by extension his children, they are best away from the UK.

Runnerinthenight · 07/03/2024 23:19

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:15

He put them at risk when he left the Royal Family, and the security that went with that.

I see - so I suppose if anything does happen to those children if they were to visit the UK, you would feel it would be absolutely justified because he left the RF.

Like I said before - they are already home and based on attitudes like this towards him and by extension his children, they are best away from the UK.

He can't have it both ways!!! Why would the UK pay for his security when he is no longer in the UK and no longer a working royal?

Nothing is going to happen to his children when they are in the UK, because they will have the protection afforded to other royals, who presumably they would be spending time with?

Ger1atricMillennial · 07/03/2024 23:26

Aside from mending personal relationship between the brother, it's not really beneficial business/PR decision from anyone. The huge and public airing of loss of trust will be insurmountable for the two spouses to overcome.

The Cambridges have a traditional role, full of responsibilities and a guaranteed fixed income that they have to stick to. The Sussexes want to make their "own" money and not have restrictions on how they live.

The only person that is actually at risk is Harry. Meghan has demonstrated multiple times that she has the capability to remove people from her life. If that happens, he will be adrift and even more vulnerable than before, and William doesn't strike me as a particularly forgiving person.

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:27

What if they to go to the beach but grandpa is too tired? How about when they visit friends - should their friends only come to the royal premises and they never go out?

It’s ok - it’s obvious that they are safer away.

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:29

The sheer arrogance of her coming into the RF as a not-very-well-known actress, thinking she could change centuries of tradition, objecting to having to defer to more senior members of the family, and wanting everything her own way, is breathtaking!

She did not try to change any tradition nor did she object to deferring to more senior royals. She expressed surprise that behind the scenes was the same as front of house so to speak but did not say that she wouldn’t do it nor that she didn’t want to.

Runnerinthenight · 07/03/2024 23:36

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:29

The sheer arrogance of her coming into the RF as a not-very-well-known actress, thinking she could change centuries of tradition, objecting to having to defer to more senior members of the family, and wanting everything her own way, is breathtaking!

She did not try to change any tradition nor did she object to deferring to more senior royals. She expressed surprise that behind the scenes was the same as front of house so to speak but did not say that she wouldn’t do it nor that she didn’t want to.

She thought she was going to! And expressed dismay that she wasn't being paid for a Royal duty!

OtherS · 07/03/2024 23:43

What on Earth could they do? They can't do the behind-the-scenes royal stuff or attend any events cause they can't be trusted, and they can't do any public stuff cause the public hates them. Nobody who's anybody is going to want to be near them in case they sell a story, and they'd be horribly booed if they rocked up to open a school or some such. Not sure we're going to ever see them rehabilitated tbh - people mention Camilla etc but she fell back in love with her ex, she didn't attack the family or (most importantly!) the British public. Whereas these two have called us emotionally stunted racists with a silly, backwards culture which weirdly hasn't gone down super well with many - not quite the same really!

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:44

She thought she was going to!

Citation needed. In what way did Megan express that she wanted to changed centuries of tradition?

And expressed dismay that she wasn't being paid for a Royal duty

Citation needed. Video or audio or a written statement or a direct quotation in a newspaper of her saying this (not a quotation of a book) please.

Runnerinthenight · 07/03/2024 23:50

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:44

She thought she was going to!

Citation needed. In what way did Megan express that she wanted to changed centuries of tradition?

And expressed dismay that she wasn't being paid for a Royal duty

Citation needed. Video or audio or a written statement or a direct quotation in a newspaper of her saying this (not a quotation of a book) please.

I won't be doing your research for you.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 07/03/2024 23:58

skullbabe · 07/03/2024 23:27

What if they to go to the beach but grandpa is too tired? How about when they visit friends - should their friends only come to the royal premises and they never go out?

It’s ok - it’s obvious that they are safer away.

Given that RAVEC assess each time Harry comes over to the Uk and give security accordingly the security allocated based on the risk level would go with them…

EconomyClassRockstar · 08/03/2024 00:09

They seem perfectly happy where they are which seems to really piss the anti Meghan people and the Daily Mail right off.

BruFord · 08/03/2024 00:54

EconomyClassRockstar · 08/03/2024 00:09

They seem perfectly happy where they are which seems to really piss the anti Meghan people and the Daily Mail right off.

I agree that they seem happy in California and that staying is likely the best option for them.

Realizing that they’re not considered particularly special here in the US has probably been abit of a shock, especially for Harry as he’s never previously lived outside of the Royal bubble, but if they can find fulfilling roles, they’ll be fine in the long run.

EconomyClassRockstar · 08/03/2024 01:03

See, I disagree. I think Harry has been hoping that for his entire life.

And it's absolute bullshit to say they're not considered special here. If they weren't, there wouldn't be this much attention about them every single time they leave their very carefully crafted bubble.

BruFord · 08/03/2024 01:31

EconomyClassRockstar · 08/03/2024 01:03

See, I disagree. I think Harry has been hoping that for his entire life.

And it's absolute bullshit to say they're not considered special here. If they weren't, there wouldn't be this much attention about them every single time they leave their very carefully crafted bubble.

You don’t need to be rude @EconomyClassRockstar .

I agree that it’s probably a relief but what I meant by not being particularly special is that in British society, the Royal family is at the top of the social strata, above politicians and anyone else important. Harry’s office could contact anyone and they’d speak to him, whereas in the US he’s a more normal celebrity, iyswim. Remember when the Duchess contacted some senators in support of paid family leave?

They're in a v. different position here and as you say, it’s probably what Harry has wanted for years (but I still think it must be a big adjustment).

FloofCloud · 08/03/2024 02:22

I very much doubt they'd have the audacity to... saying that it is those clowns we're talking about so maybe 🤡
In all honesty, much of the tax paying public would hate it, it would destabilise the RF more IMO.
They'd be monetising everything they could, wouldn't be trusted by the RF, and Megain would want the big job, not the lowly spare's ghastly spouse
So no, and I'd lay money on Megain having sights on a future that doesn't include any royals at all

BigWillyLittleTodger · 08/03/2024 03:14

LadyMuckonpancakes · 07/03/2024 23:03

The thing is wouldn’t any of us in her position have taken a bit of time to watch footage, read some books , actually try and understand what the ‘job’ entailed? Because it was a huge and very important job. No one accepts a job without doing any research or understanding anything about the company. She made it clear that Harry was the only person she was prepared to listen to. He clearly doesn’t understand much about the protocols in his own family or why things are done in the way they are. She was taking instruction from an idiot. Actually I don’t even believe that. I think she genuinely thought she could just do exactly as she liked and everything would go her way. Which suggests a certain contempt and arrogance in the first place. She thought she was more important than Harry from the off. She talked over him, pushed him aside, and tried to dominate constantly. Just very rude apart from anything else.

The contrast between Meghan and the now Australian Queen Mary of Denmark is vast, Mary Donaldson went to huge efforts to ‘become Danish’ and learn the royal traditions and expectations, she had extensive lessons to become fluent in Danish and studied the culture, history and political landscape of Denmark, she also undertook military training and joined the Danish Home Guard, all her efforts made her popular with the Danes.

Meghan on the other hand was the polar opposite, for someone who is supposedly so intelligent she couldn’t even Google about life in Britain and the Royal family, the truth is she does not give a shit about this country, its culture or traditions, in fact she openly mocks them, all the Royal Family are to her is a meal ticket, and like all her relationships once they have served their purpose they are discarded.

Ohnoooooooo · 08/03/2024 06:16

I read that many of the Hollywood elite do not want them in their circles - this group values their privacy and H&M have demonstrated they are prepared to say a whole lot of private things to the international press.

H&M could never work for the Royal Family again - they have had so much press they are now like marmite - people either love them or hate them; for the people that hate them there is so much animosity they would not be able to come back from this for many years.

Its not comparable to Camilla - Camilla associated herself with a world-loved figure the Queen. She rebranded herself when the Queen welcomed her and had zillions of photos together.

There is no one in the Royal Family in the UK who is even a tiny bit as well loved as the Queen who would do this for H&M. Quite frankly, in fact the only person well loved by the public enough to help wash some of the dirt off and who could help them turn this around would be Kate -and its clear H&M have burned their bridges.

AstralSpace · 08/03/2024 06:34

@Ohnoooooooo well, it's hard to trust someone who tells all about their own family. People will rightly want to keep their distance from them.

If they came back, they'd need the press on their side to try to win favour with the public. I think they'd be the opposite unfortunately. Initially, even though the tabloid media were horrendous, the public largely liked M&H but I don't think they do anymore.

ittakes2 · 08/03/2024 06:49

They have fallen out with the future King and Queen.
They are fighting publicly with the UK press.
They have proven they are happy to sell their souls for money.
A large amount of the UK public actively dislike them.
What are you thinking its an option for them to work for the Royal family again. Just the cost of security for them alone would make it not work them working to raise money for charities.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/03/2024 07:09

@NotMyPage No they are not welcome here!!! they just want somewhere to stay with free security! they should book a whole floor of an hotel and just hide out there!!! they deserve absolutely nothing after what they said!! that arrogant smile of hers no matter where she goes is sickly. everyone can be looking in one direction and she is always looking directly at the camera lens! fourth rate actress who acts like she is the queen and never did admit she got it all wrong with titles either!!! she wanted preferential treatment the whole time from the royal family! and they should not be getting any security at the expense of the taxpayers either!

ChanelNo19EDT · 08/03/2024 07:10

I can believe harry wants to come back but from w&k's perspective, well.... I know how betrayed, hurt and exasperated I felt when my mother trashed me to the aunts and cousins. If she had gone on Oprah and written a book, 😲😱
The hurt, anger and exasperation would all be quadrupled.

Maybe harry will be allowed back as a member of the family in about 10 years. Can't see it before 2035.

namechangeduetoimpatience · 08/03/2024 07:18

Gosh, some of you!

Why would they? Put down the DM!

Outside the relatively small bubble of royal family fanatics, most people do not hate H&M as much as some of you think. I’m not the biggest Meghan fan but in 2024, nobody is turning their nose down at an accomplished woman. You don’t have to like her but she not ‘supposedly intelligent’, she’s educated and made a fairly decent life for herself before getting involved with the RF. Money isn’t everything, but she was the only self made millionaire amongst the senior royals. You can question if she tried hard enough to fit in the RF but she’s not lazy.

I still don’t think the RF did enough to assimilate her. How is it that an institution THAT size, that rules the commonwealth couldn’t accommodate the first mixed race senior royal? Nothing could be done? And Before anyone asks why they should, go look at the list of commonwealth countries. I’m sorry but the RF doesn’t look good here and that fact that some of you can’t see it explains a lot. Also explains why the RF sent Kate and William to Jamaica for that visit. Are they that out of touch?

Half the actions/quotes that are attributed to Meghan are actually Harry’s but some you can’t move beyond blaming her for everything. If you were Meghan, why would you want to return to the RF? For what reason? She was ok before and she will be ok after.

The future looks more like H&M than W&K.

The RF is important to British culture and heritage but after Queen Elizabeth the institution is not the same.

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