Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

[TallerSally]

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

This is the state of this country. It is not free country, it is as corrupted as any third world totalitarian regyme

MamaAlwaysknowsbest - Are you on the right thread?

Perpetrators, enablers and look-the-other-way-ers don’t get a pass just because they are members of the Royal family!

Unfortunately that's exactly what they get, and if it doesn't look like coming they'll revert to hiding, ignoring, spinning or denying

With all the advice and resources at their command you really wouldn't think it so difficult to avoid people like this - especially those who've actually been convicted - but it seems even that's beyond them

I agree with you
The veneer may look better than some other countries but that’s all it is, a veneer.
And the rot starts at the top

The trouble is I think they are all just very naive. They haven’t lived in the real world and aren’t very savvy. So if someone comes along who is friendly and engaging and whom the public seem to like, they lap up any ingratiating behaviour. I actually think they’re all a bit insecure about themselves. I think the whole institution is very outdated and it’s time it went. It doesn’t really serve anyone, least of all the RF themselves who are trapped in a weird dysfunctional bubble with no way out.

I just read ' And What do You Do?' By Norman Baker.
The RF finances are very shady , in particular PA's from his time as a special trade envoy.
He has links to dodgy regimes in Khazakstan and Bahrain and of course Epstein.
A very interesting read and none of the Royals are above receiving freebies or allowing us to pay for their helicopter rides

https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Do-You-Royal-Family/dp/B086R8KZHX/ref=mpssa111?crid=32T8NMU9KLM7N&keywords=and+what+do+you+do+norman+baker&qid=1707993658&sprefix=and+what%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-1

Totally agree with this. I've said it before on here. Naivety at its best. And also the idea that they can mix with who they like because of who they are. That was very much Andrew's MO. He was warned about some of the dodgy people he mixed with and apparently he always said he was only answerable to his Mother.
And there you have it... free licence for him to do what he wanted. She enabled him big time

Having said all that... yes I get that they could be insecure and lap up attention from a popular with the public sort... but surely this is where their security people come in? They have PPOs, security people, and probably MI5 at their disposal but still mix with dodgy characters.

To be honest, if I had my way I wouldn't converse with anyone who hadn't read this book! (just joking, but it seriously is a must read for some on here)

The Trade Envoy time for Andrew is particularly dodgy. Which is why there is a outrage that all public records for his time as one, are now sealed until 2065. Absolutely disgusting. But we know why. There would be a public outcry if all was revealed.

At least someone is trying to hold them to account.

How wrong it is that a public body (and that's what they are) are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.

Our head of state and the whole royal household should be covered by the same laws as every other public body. We should know if the royals are trying to influence the government, and we should know what they're spending our money on and why

https://www.republic.org.uk/royal_secrets

Their security people are not there to give advice about who they should be friends with! They are paid employees! The whole problem is the RF think they are special and above the law. They are superior to the plebs. There is really no accountability.

I do disagree. That is what they are there for. Every function will have Security scrutinising attendees, every dinner they hold, every member of staff goes through strict vetting, more than with any other job... you can't tell me they are not advised on dodgy or unwelcome characters who inveigle themselves into friendships with members of the RF.
This is my opinion of course

I read an article about when Andrew went to 'break up' with Epstein. He was strongly advised by his security people to stay at the Embassy in NY. They would've known of Epstein's criminal record for sex trafficking and sexual assault. He ignored their advice and stayed in Epstein's mansion for 4 days and was Guest of Honour at a Dinner held for him by JE.
He went to see a friend to tell him he couldn't be his friend anymore

In the end, the RF can override any advice given to them.

Well, they only get a pass if the British public let them.

Hence the constant leaking about how QEII thought this and that trivia about H&M to their minions in the servile British media, with as sole purpose to distract and cover up the RF (and Prince Andrew)’s role in really shocking scandals such as large scale child sexual abuse.

The RF need their feet held to fire over this - no let-up, and no excuses! Where’s the public apology for PA’s cavorting with and defending paedophile Epstein? When will PA be stripped of his titles for bringing genuine disgrace onto the RF? When will he and his grifting ex-wife be turfed out of Royal Lodge?

Perhaps if people keep asking, that time might come closer…

The trouble is I think they are all just very naive. They haven’t lived in the real world and aren’t very savvy.

@PassifloraEvangelist , I’m with you, to an extent.

None of them come across as Mensa top scorers (I suspect given his recent TV and court appearances Prince Harry’s the most articulate and able to string sentences together without reading a pre-written speech). Which begs the question, why is the British Prime Minister STILL meeting with the not-democratically elected King every week?

One sycophantic newspaper even rejoiced that the King was continuing to meet Sunak as for KC it’d be “a welcome distraction from his illness”.

Really???

Thanks for the link @ThePoshUns and @Roussette !

I’ve ordered it!

Well, they only get a pass if the British public let them

And they do let them. There is no questioning of them, they can do exactly what they want. Any Government is weak and won't touch any questioning of them because it's a political hot potato and would likely lose elections. So they can get away with anything.

OMG. You are going to combust and there will be smoke coming out my laptop from your posts!
Brace yourself.

I have to say, this book is not an opinion piece, it comes from a well respected ex MP, Minister and Member of the Privy Council.

It just lifts the lid. That's it.

I must read it again actually because I read it before Andrew and his shenanigans and I believe it's been added to.

Their security people are not there to give advice about who they should be friends with! They are paid employees!

Not sure about that one, PassifloraEvangelist, though I agree about possible naivety and especially the RF considering themselves above the law.
Surely the whole point of these people is to investigate whatever risks there may be and advise accordingly - after all the RF are quick enough to blame them when something goes wrong

How wrong it is that a public body (and that's what they are) are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act

Don't even start me on that, Roussette!! Though of course the "public body" - like the Duchies - is another definition which they vary according to what suits

This is for you @TallerSally

It's Norman Baker (the author of the book) being interviewed a few weeks ago and talking about Andrew, Epstein, and Royal Finances. Even Savile and Peter Ball are mentioned, and he puts timelines out about RF connections with Savile which are .

This interview is gobsmacking and is just a relevant recent piece that questions the RF and their judgement. But in particular, Andrew...

So interesting when he compares Andrew's crimes compared to Meghan & Harry's crimes.
He focusses on how Andrew enriched himself beyond belief whilst a TA, not for the good of the country, but for himself.
He says it's very different to a family fallout and a departure which is H&M, but Andrew's actions are potentially illegal and certainly self serving.
He is not totally pro H&M by the way. And criticises them for titles etc. So he is very measured. But calls it a grey area with Duchy titled products being flogged which should not happen, so some of the RF do what H&M are doing.

And talks of how the RF treats women who marry in.
And then the finances.... . There are not enough shocked emojis in the world for me on this part... you really must listen. He compares and contrasts how much our Monarchy costs compared to European Royal houses. More

%7Cheretics.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yes, to your post! You must listen to the above, he talks about the Duchies about very many other things!

Why is the British Prime Minister STILL meeting with the not-democratically elected King every week?

Here you go, TallerSally:
"The Sovereign has, under a constitutional monarchy such as ours, three rights—the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn.
The English Constitution (1867) ‘The Monarchy (continued)’"

They left off anything about "meddling in their own interests", but then that was to be expected

And yes, as Roussette rightly said, reading Norman Baker's book will open your eyes - especially as the author's been in a position to know and understand what he's written about

I will, trust me I will!!

But am nipping in and out today so will have to save it for later when I can give it proper attention ...

"The Sovereign has, under a constitutional monarchy such as ours, three rights—the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn.
The English Constitution (1867) ‘The Monarchy (continued)’"

That all went a bit tits up then with the illegal prorogation of parliament by Johnson then....

Deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.
Yet QE11... not a 'warn'. Or did she?

Given that constitutional scholars say it would have been 'almost inconceivable' for her to defy Johnson's request, ok. It would've created a crisis so she left it to the Courts to decide if it was unlawful. It was.

Which leads me to wonder what the point of these meetings actually are....

Honestly , when the Windsor’s finally go, there should be a statue to Norman Baker on the fourth plinth!
The man has toiled for years and he keeps going despite all the impediments in his way

The RF finances are very shady , in particular PA's from his time as a special trade envoy.

Agreed.

What has come to light is damning enough. It's appalling that further documents have been sealed away for 105 years.

But calls it a grey area with Duchy titled products being flogged which should not happen, so some of the RF do what H&M are doing.

Got to be said Fred has played a blinder on that one.

Successfully ditched any risk but still rakes in the profits and basks in the glory of donating them to charity.

Thanks for link to the remarkable Norman. Will defo have a listen!

So they've done it again.

Allowed the repulsive Prince "weeks at Epstein's residence getting 'daily massages' with underage girls" Andrew to show his paedophile-befriending face in public at an official event again, accompanied by his Grifter-in-Chief ex-wife.

The rehabilitation attempt continues unabated!