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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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Roussette · 06/01/2024 18:45

OhGetFucked · 06/01/2024 18:31

Saw a story in the DM last week saying Andrew and Fergie might remarry and this explains why. Deflect deflect deflect. Bread and circuses.

That's all that is left for Sarah now. She has managed to insert herself into a Royal Estate... re-marriage would be the cherry on the icing on the cake...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 18:46

Alalain · 06/01/2024 14:28

"it's the almost beatific beams of the watchers which get to me, almost as if they're honoured just to be there watching their idols."

I was referring to the public fawning over Andrew and the RF.

So was I, Alalain ...

Ellmau · 06/01/2024 19:04

I'm no apologist, but a third party allegation of massage is a long way from legally proceedable evidence of child rape.

If anything I'm disappointed the new papers don't have stronger evidence.

TallerSally · 06/01/2024 19:09

Ellmau · 06/01/2024 19:04

I'm no apologist, but a third party allegation of massage is a long way from legally proceedable evidence of child rape.

If anything I'm disappointed the new papers don't have stronger evidence.

Can we stop with this ludicrous line, please?

Does anyone seriously think Epstein, Maxwell and the likes of Jean-Luc Brunel were jailed for forcing girls to practice reiki? And that Prince Andrew is wanted by the FBI because of overconsumption of reflexology?

Time to stock up on those Brooklyn bridges...

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 19:09

The way the royal family is dealing / not dealing with Andrew's behaviour is a rot that is not going to go away. It's getting worse and worse, eroding the RF's image, making them look more and more out of touch, turning more and more good faith royalists to republicanism. It's incredible that they don't realise

I suspect they realise it very well, DewinDwl, but also know that - at least for now - they only have to release a few lovely pics of Kate and the children or a "look over there" story about someone else to get many back onside

As Roussette said Andrew makes a pretty good flood defence for the RF, in that while most are agreeing about what a pig he is it keeps negative attention away from anyone else

Themountainwithsnowonit · 06/01/2024 19:14

Alalain · 06/01/2024 14:28

"it's the almost beatific beams of the watchers which get to me, almost as if they're honoured just to be there watching their idols."

I was referring to the public fawning over Andrew and the RF.

Yes, I see that now, apologies for misunderstanding. I can only blame covid brain 🤦‍♀️

goodbyestranger · 06/01/2024 19:23

It may keep negative attention away from other members of the rf but their tacit support of him can't end well. The rf could reap the benefits of the flood defence without their show of support (paying off VG to the tune of 12m, coronation, Sandringham walkabout/ refusal to comment on the court docs). Hopefully it won't end at all well for them.

alltootired · 06/01/2024 19:49

@Ellmau Of course a man pays out millions to settle a court case because they had a few massages.
You must think we are stupid. Andrew is a predator. He has shown this time and time again.

CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 19:51

Ellmau · 06/01/2024 14:18

Are massages illegal in Florida?

Because although PA's behaviour is undeniably sleazy, I'm still not seeing any crimes for which he could realistically be convicted.

You've missed the point I was making which was about Andrew's now conveniently sealed actions while in the laughable trade envoy role.

CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 20:05

The idea that Charles knew nothing about Jimmy Savile's character and activities, is nonsense and wilful naivety.

I have said this on these threads for years.

Savile gulled many but the suggestion that the heir to the throne with an army of lackeys whose sole job was to puff and protect his public image knew nothing when rumours just at the BBC were rife is fantastical.

unbelieveable22 · 06/01/2024 20:14

ChanelNo19EDT · 06/01/2024 14:38

Yeh, I think it's highly unlikely that Jimmy Saville showed his real self to Prince Charles, I'm sure he hid his real self from Charles.

Yet Peter Ball didn't hide his real self. In 1993 Ball received a caution for gross indecency something the CPS said later was the wrong decision. Friends in high places obviously. Would have saved a lot of pain and hurt for many children.
The CPS claimed in 1993 it had "substantial and reliable evidence" to prosecute Ball for indecent assault and gross indecency, but ultimately handed down the caution.

Yet 2 Years later in 1995 this is what Charles wrote to Ball: n “I wish I could do more. I feel so desperately strongly about the monstrous wrongs that have been done to you and the way you have been treated.”

Charles later arranged for the Duchy of Cornwall to buy a house to be rented by Ball and his identical twin, Michael, also a bishop.

GrazingSheep · 06/01/2024 20:35

Files relating to sexual abuse in the Kincora Boys Home in Belfast are sealed until 2065/2085. There are allegations that Louis Mountbatten raped a boy there. It’s a scandal that refuses to be buried despite repeated efforts by a succession of British governments.

Livingtothefull · 06/01/2024 21:06

unbelieveable22 · 06/01/2024 20:14

Yet Peter Ball didn't hide his real self. In 1993 Ball received a caution for gross indecency something the CPS said later was the wrong decision. Friends in high places obviously. Would have saved a lot of pain and hurt for many children.
The CPS claimed in 1993 it had "substantial and reliable evidence" to prosecute Ball for indecent assault and gross indecency, but ultimately handed down the caution.

Yet 2 Years later in 1995 this is what Charles wrote to Ball: n “I wish I could do more. I feel so desperately strongly about the monstrous wrongs that have been done to you and the way you have been treated.”

Charles later arranged for the Duchy of Cornwall to buy a house to be rented by Ball and his identical twin, Michael, also a bishop.

Charles also pressured for Ball to be reinstated within the church after he received a caution. He sent his private secretary to Lambeth Palace to inquire about Ball's status to the archbishop's top aide.

It seems Charles was referring to his victim in his letter to Ball which read ‘“I will see off this horrid man if he tries anything again.” As well as arranging a house for him, Charles sent Ball and his brother gifts of money.

One of Ball’s victims later committed suicide. His sister claimed Ball’s ‘friends in high places’ (such as Prince Charles) were ‘categorically to blame’ for her brother’s death.

At the enquiry into child sexual abuse, Charles stated he had been deceived over a long period of time about the true nature of Ball’s activities - how is it that sounds familiar?

Charles was also severely criticised at the enquiry. The lawyer for the victims criticised him for not making efforts to check the position of Ball in 1993, after the bishop accepted a caution. “This extraordinary lack of curiosity looks like wilful blindness. . . He failed in that responsibility and therefore failed the victims.”

TallerSally · 06/01/2024 21:29

@Livingtothefull this is absolutely and frighteningly mind-blowing - thanks for sharing.

I'm really taken aback. What is wrong with these people!!!!!!!

Siding with the perpetrators against the victims, victim-blaming, calling victims "horrid", being prepared to us the power of the royal family to "see them off"...

What an insight into the mindset of King Charles and his family this provides!

It explains it all - really. Why he never lifted a finger to stop the paedophiles in his entourage, from Peter Ball to Lord Moutbatten to Jimmy Saville. Why he will never willingly do the right thing and chastise Prince Andrew (but as it's looking likely will be forced to by the court of public opinion). Why he is happy to punish another victim albeit in a very different context and on a different issue - MM.

Not a thought spared for victims, it's as if their lives were insignificant, worth less than that of an ant. On the contrary, victims are bothersome nuisances to be dealt with. No wonder some committed suicide - what hope is left when the supposedly God-appointed royalty side with criminal child rapists?

You can also see where Andrew's own insufferable sense of entitlement over his crimes comes from.

So much for moral leadership of the UK - what a rotten lot, rotten to the core!

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Fluffypuppy1 · 06/01/2024 21:41

Roussette · 06/01/2024 17:03

Exactly.

It's no different to the coerced trafficked Epstein girls. Like the three 12 year olds shipped over from Paris for his birthday.

A quick google shows there’s thankfully no proof of VG’s claim that JE had three 12 year old girls shipped from Paris to him in NY. It’s a
only a VG claim that JE boasted about it from her 2016 lawsuit against GM.

A NZ Herald article from February ‘23 states VG has been working on a new memoir for 12 years, but no publisher will touch it due to “inconsistencies” in her story.

VG has previously dropped her claims against Alan Dershowitz admitting she “may have made a mistake” in accusing him of abuse.

alltootired · 06/01/2024 21:47

@Fluffypuppy1 what proof do you expect her to have? Photos?
Remember Prince Andrew paid millions to her to make the court case go away, so do not accuse her of being a liar.
It is normal for trafficked girls to have inconsistencies. When being raped and sexually abused by multiple men it is hard to keep track of exact details.

alltootired · 06/01/2024 21:49

The girls in Rotherham also had inconsistencies in their statements. But because their groomers and rapists were not rich and powerful men, they were convicted.

Roussette · 06/01/2024 21:53

Yes. Of course you think that. You don't understand sex trafficking.

And jean Luc Brunel who was accused of sex crimes against 100 girls was the one who shipped the girls in and has since committed suicide in prison. Funny that

Believe the perpetrators not the victims 🙁

Atethehalloweenchocs · 06/01/2024 22:03

Saw a story in the DM last week saying Andrew and Fergie might remarry and this explains why.

It seemed obvious that the divorce was for show, and not because they wanted it at the time. Seems like infidelity, peccadilloes and outright sexual criminal behaviour are no barriers to marriage in the upper classes. I seem to remember hearing that one of the reasons Andrew was so beloved by the Queen was that her marriage had been in real difficulties for a while and he represented their rapprochement. Also remember an older relative telling me that Philip would go drinking with pals like David Niven several afternoons a week - with the implication they were all pretty wild.

Livingtothefull · 06/01/2024 22:12

'What an insight into the mindset of King Charles and his family this provides!

It explains it all - really. Why he never lifted a finger to stop the paedophiles in his entourage, from Peter Ball to Lord Moutbatten to Jimmy Saville.'

I'm afraid it does @TallerSally . I can see why Charles may be fearful of taking action against his brother which may lead to putting the spotlight on himself.

With regard to Savile: I personally find it hard to stomach the fact that (among many many other crimes) he actually abused sick children in their hospital beds. The very thought of that makes my soul want to wither. I don't mean to be dramatic; but I just can't take in that any human being could sink so low.

And this was a person, alongside Ball, Mountbatten and others, that Charles counted as a friend. I will presume that Charles didn't know what Savile was doing at the time; but the fact is, he could and should have known.

alltootired · 06/01/2024 22:26

I do not think Charles is a paedophile. I do think he is comfortable with rich paedophiles though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/01/2024 23:06

It's refreshing to hear from someone else who appears to have read the IICSA report, @Livingtothefull - so much more revealing than the usual silly headlines, and far more reliable

PassifloraEvangelist · 07/01/2024 05:16

pickledandpuzzled · 04/01/2024 15:39

I haven’t read the threads or recent news. Going from the impression of the time- when sex trafficking was not understood the way it is now- it just looked like a man who partied in the kinds of circles where hostesses were expected at parties. As in, a man going to a party with beautiful women available for sex, would have assumed they were paid and chose to be there. He would have assumed it was ‘consensual’. He was viewed as a playboy- always.

I know that consent can’t be bought and we now understand how girls end up groomed and trafficked into those situations. People didn’t then, and some still wouldn’t now.

It still makes him a sleaze and it’s grim, but he wouldn’t have thought he was a pedophile or a trafficker. There are people who think sex work is ok. He would have considered them sex workers, not groomed children

I agree with this. He still needs to be held accountable though. Why on earth SF has been brought back into the fold I don’t know either. Presumably Charles is trying to mollify him. It’s so bizarre to have an ex wife on parade at Xmas. I suspect that his siblings are worried about his mental health.

User135644 · 07/01/2024 08:50

billysboy · 06/01/2024 15:29

PA is a Nonce is still one of my favourite flags viewed at Glastonbury

Got a good airing at Anfield as well https://twitter.com/MenInBlazers/status/1654918293432442882?t=7NQANybD4oaeCf0n692kSQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/MenInBlazers/status/1654918293432442882?s=19&t=7NQANybD4oaeCf0n692kSQ

Nanton1 · 07/01/2024 08:52

As a mother of 2 and grandmother of another 4 adults what is worrying about the Andrew and Ferguson lies ....and they are....as noone pay out £12 million odd pounds to someone they never knew.....is that there are so many female and male victims out there ..whose voices have been silenced ....that the fact that another human who was in a privileged position can even believe that they can get away with the lies...there is one particular incident of a young girl being raped by her step father from the age of 10.13.15.16 of her appearing in court to swear that it happened and being told to go home by males and reflect on what she had said...as he the step father a Roman Catholic goes and confesses his sins and the priest arrives with a small box where the stations of the cross are kept and he tells her to reflect and confess her imaginable vices to the Lord and she will be freed of her evil thoughts....its years later that she is told by a dying mother that the lies were told to protect her from further evil.....the girl who was lost, finally managed to open files in her head to know the truth and forgive or she would have become bitter and twisted, left their lies to go into a closed file, as she tried to walk away from the tragic start to living....yet she said to see what the Royal family has done and tried to hide, prooves that it is cultural, and a real danger to younger children even in 2023 as the power brokers will demean the victims process thoughts by rape..which is a subject close to the hearts of many that has still not bee justified by understanding the damage that Prince Andrew and Ferguson who herself was in the fray, like many mothers are to protect their own involvement,while calling the children liars, drug addicts or alcoholics..and this will continue until something radical is done to PA and Ferguson to show the world of youth and victims, that the perpetrators will be found guilty of abuse no matter how they to lie and walk with royalty and pollitcal pioneers of power who use and abuse the youth of today ....the person who told me their story is still victim to the memories of the abuse of her young life as every time she read the Royal lies it bring tears to her eyes....praying that her children will never have to go through what she did..as she was put into rehalitation twice in her life along with losing silblings and children.......The Met police had had so much of this within their own force that surely it would ot be too much to ask them to have this investigated if they were really truly trying to amand the ways of their own behaviour.......As Mums we all have a duty to protect our children and thier children as so many lives are destroyed when lies become truth,,and the King knows that as he himself was involved with Jimmy Saville as his advisor......