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Minutewaltz · 21/12/2023 18:52

AuroraCake thank you for explaining - now I understand.

Ohpleeeease · 21/12/2023 19:25

BackToWhereItAllBegan · 21/12/2023 18:51

Does the Prince / Princess title stop with Harry's children or will their children get titles too? I don't believe Beatrice & Eugenie's children have titles but not sure if that's by choice or that's just the rules!

Archie and Lilibet will be the last of the prince/sses in that line.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 19:37

BackToWhereItAllBegan · 21/12/2023 18:51

Does the Prince / Princess title stop with Harry's children or will their children get titles too? I don't believe Beatrice & Eugenie's children have titles but not sure if that's by choice or that's just the rules!

Girls cannot pass on titles.

No their children wouldn't have prince or princess titles. Lili's wouldn't have any titles.

You need to be a grandchild of the monarch in the male line. However with a dukedom the kids inherit titles of a duke. And Archie will be Duke of Sussex and his children entitled to be Lord and Lady etc.

BackToWhereItAllBegan · 21/12/2023 20:01

Interesting, thank you. I'd forgotten that the Duke of Sussex title would live on through Archie and beyond (assuming male heirs are born). It would be interesting to see what a Duke of Sussex would do with their title in several generations time in America!

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:03

Ww they have moved to life long Dukedoms now. So Harry's will be the last to be passed on. James won't inherit.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:07

It's only the Duke of Edinburgh title which is life long. Charles wants it to remain royal, which it wouldn't if passed down to James. I've seen no evidence thay Sussex is lifelong. I would assume that Archie inherits and passes it on, like the dukedoms of Kent and Gloucester, which pass on to non princes, and cease to be royal.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:08

BackToWhereItAllBegan · 21/12/2023 20:01

Interesting, thank you. I'd forgotten that the Duke of Sussex title would live on through Archie and beyond (assuming male heirs are born). It would be interesting to see what a Duke of Sussex would do with their title in several generations time in America!

It will be, won't it?
Intriguing enough with a prince and princess growing up in California.

FloreatEtona · 21/12/2023 20:11

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/12/2023 18:53

Decades ago I saw a documentary about will8am and Harry at Eton and it seems the students had to walk from one school building to another on their own/without teachers and some of these buildings were across the town. So there were groups of Eton students inc William shuffling down Windsor high street? I’m assuming there were undercover police tailing him but even so it seems a security risk and I’d have thought security threats would be higher these days than 25/30 years ago. So maybe it’s too risky.

Eton as a town is tiny. Most of it seems to be Eton College.
As a pp, it isn't in Windsor, so the boys would not be walking down Peascod Street to go from one lesson to another.

FloreatEtona · 21/12/2023 20:13

@AuroraCake , Girls cannot pass on titles. The late Queen did.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:26

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:07

It's only the Duke of Edinburgh title which is life long. Charles wants it to remain royal, which it wouldn't if passed down to James. I've seen no evidence thay Sussex is lifelong. I would assume that Archie inherits and passes it on, like the dukedoms of Kent and Gloucester, which pass on to non princes, and cease to be royal.

Yes as it stands he will. But theyvare obviously moving in the future to lifelong.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:27

FloreatEtona · 21/12/2023 20:13

@AuroraCake , Girls cannot pass on titles. The late Queen did.

An exception was made just as it was for Prince Williams children.

JSMill · 21/12/2023 20:27

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:03

Ww they have moved to life long Dukedoms now. So Harry's will be the last to be passed on. James won't inherit.

I think that's wrong. Not because of H's behaviour or the fact his dcs live in another country. We need less people with titles not more in the 22st century. H's dukedom is an honorary one anyway. It's just silly for it to be passed down.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:29

JSMill · 21/12/2023 20:27

I think that's wrong. Not because of H's behaviour or the fact his dcs live in another country. We need less people with titles not more in the 22st century. H's dukedom is an honorary one anyway. It's just silly for it to be passed down.

That is the system but they are obviously changing it. Obviously Edward to start and Harrybwould have had to follow suit. But that didn't work. So now it will be Charlotte and George.

SenecaFallsRedux · 21/12/2023 20:43

As to the late Queen's children being HRH Prince/Princess, only Andrew and Edward became so without special intervention as the children born to a queen regnant.

While she was Princess Elizabeth, her father King George VI had to issue Letters Patent so that Charles and Anne would be HRH Prince/Princess; otherwise they would only have had titles from their father's dukedom.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:44

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:26

Yes as it stands he will. But theyvare obviously moving in the future to lifelong.

How do you know this?

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:46

Harry's Dukedom is not "honorary".
It was bestowed by the monarch, and will be passed down, as there has been nothing to indicate otherwise.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:48

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 20:29

That is the system but they are obviously changing it. Obviously Edward to start and Harrybwould have had to follow suit. But that didn't work. So now it will be Charlotte and George.

I don't think there's any evidence that it's "changing", unless you've seen something from the Palace? The only anomaly is the Dukedom of Edinburgh.

SenecaFallsRedux · 21/12/2023 20:53

@Maireas is right. Harry's dukedom is hereditary to the "heirs male of his body lawfully begotten." I can't find the actual LPs, but that has been the usual language for royal dukedoms for centuries. If Harry's had been for life, that would have been reported as it was for Prince Edward. Also, while Edward's dukedom is for life, his earldom is not; right now James is Earl of Wessex by courtesy, as it's his father's secondary title, but when Edward dies, James will become Earl of Wessex in his own right.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 20:54

Thank you, @SenecaFallsRedux . That's exactly as I understand it.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 21:04

If they did it for Edward they will do the same for Louis and or Charlotte. It makes huge sense anyway and far better.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 21:34

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 21:04

If they did it for Edward they will do the same for Louis and or Charlotte. It makes huge sense anyway and far better.

It doesn't make sense, really. I don't think you have any evidence that the entire system is changing, do you?

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 21:41

Maireas · 21/12/2023 21:34

It doesn't make sense, really. I don't think you have any evidence that the entire system is changing, do you?

Well the entirety of common law is based on one setting a precedent. There ain't exactly many Dukedoms left now anyway. And the point is to keep Edinburgh royal so if it gets passed to Louis and Charlotte to be passed down it would cease to be royal. Sussex will cease to be royal after Archie. Kent and Gloucester with the next generation.

doglover90 · 21/12/2023 21:46

Charterhouse's campus is very open - would be more difficult in terms of security. Wellington has a reputation (unfairly or not) for being 'flashy' and full of celebrities' kids - I doubt that would appeal to William and Kate. I suspect they will opt for co-ed, although clearly Eton is under serious consideration.

Marlborough is only an hour's drive from Windsor and 45 mins from Kate's family in Bucklebury, plus Eugenie went there so there's a precedent of them being able to logistically accommodate royal children. William and Kate are also big users of the royal helicopter, including when they travel privately between their homes (I'm not a fan, but anyway...) so that would further cut down on journey times.

Maireas · 21/12/2023 21:46

We aren't talking about Common Law.
This is something very different indeed.
Gloucester, Sussex, Kent and Wessex will cease to be royal, that is true. It does not mean that Harry's Dukedom is "honorary" or future dukedoms are "lifelong only".
Two unsubstantiated claims.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 21:51

Maireas · 21/12/2023 21:46

We aren't talking about Common Law.
This is something very different indeed.
Gloucester, Sussex, Kent and Wessex will cease to be royal, that is true. It does not mean that Harry's Dukedom is "honorary" or future dukedoms are "lifelong only".
Two unsubstantiated claims.

I never said it was honorary. You don't get honorary Dukedoms.

I do think they are moving to lifelong Dukedoms but we won't know again for at least about 25 years.

Amd it wouldn't be before time.