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Maireas · 21/12/2023 21:57

Well the "moving towards lifelong dukedoms" is something of a supposition, and I've read nothing to indicate that is a future plan.
Who knows.
The "honorary" claim was another poster. Not the case of course.

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 21:59

I'd feel very cheated if I was Edward then.

EdithWeston · 21/12/2023 22:34

My guess is that after Edward’s tenure, the Duke of Edinburgh will return to the Crown, next to be used when there is a female heir apparent (eg if George’s firstborn is a girl) when it will be given to her husband as a wedding present.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 22/12/2023 00:16

EdithWeston · 21/12/2023 22:34

My guess is that after Edward’s tenure, the Duke of Edinburgh will return to the Crown, next to be used when there is a female heir apparent (eg if George’s firstborn is a girl) when it will be given to her husband as a wedding present.

I think that if there is a female heir apparent, it's fine if her husband is Duke of Edinburgh or anywhere else for that matter, but she should be made Princess of Wales in her own right.

AuroraCake · 22/12/2023 00:24

Off course they should. Dare I say it but does a partner need a title…top job probably does but the rest? They should be allowed a choice. Dare I say it they were quite modern with Meghan and did say she could keep her career. It’s always the women who are expected to subsume into the role. Snowdon just got more kudos as a photographer. Both Anne’s husbands worked. Perhaps the rather innate sexism needs to be checked. It is after all your partners job. Now if they want to fine and the partner of the top job is marrying a job BUT otherwise?

Nepmarthiturn · 22/12/2023 00:57

spanieleyes · 17/12/2023 20:18

Why has everyone decided that he " isn't quite as bright" as the other boys or needs special consideration for entry?

I'd guess people are inferring that because 85% of intelligence is hereditary.

Nepmarthiturn · 22/12/2023 01:13

myrtleWilson · 18/12/2023 10:54

Was "A,B,C" really below average in 2000? The course requirement was BBC....

It was well below average for the intelligent kids at some of the worst comps in the country so if someone had hundreds of thousands spent on their education and still only managed this then obviously they are not very bright!

sashh · 22/12/2023 07:49

AuroraCake · 21/12/2023 19:37

Girls cannot pass on titles.

No their children wouldn't have prince or princess titles. Lili's wouldn't have any titles.

You need to be a grandchild of the monarch in the male line. However with a dukedom the kids inherit titles of a duke. And Archie will be Duke of Sussex and his children entitled to be Lord and Lady etc.

Not always, the current Duke of Edinburgh will not pass that title on, it will revert to the crown.

His children don't use the titles Prince and Princess but they could if they wanted to.

AuroraCake · 22/12/2023 08:37

sashh · 22/12/2023 07:49

Not always, the current Duke of Edinburgh will not pass that title on, it will revert to the crown.

His children don't use the titles Prince and Princess but they could if they wanted to.

Oh my goodness. Seriously. Those are the rules. The current Prince Edward’s situation has never been updates to the rules.

AuroraCake · 22/12/2023 08:41

Nepmarthiturn · 22/12/2023 01:13

It was well below average for the intelligent kids at some of the worst comps in the country so if someone had hundreds of thousands spent on their education and still only managed this then obviously they are not very bright!

It was not a below average mark in 2000. It was probably average for the time. For the school he went yes definitely below.

whirlingdevonish · 22/12/2023 08:57

I think it was probably very hard for William (and especially Harry) at Eton. Lots of super selection going on, and stellar expectations (rightly bc of the resources). And if you're nowhere near the top of that pile I think you'd feel it.

lepapillon · 22/12/2023 09:40

ABC was well above average in 2000, and above the requirements at St Andrews.

The grade inflation over the past 15 years has been absurd.

MrsFinkelstein · 22/12/2023 09:42

It seems sensible for me that parents are looking at a couple (or more) of school choices. Most of the schools who they'd likely be considering will use these exams as entrance criteria.

I can guarantee every single one of those schools will be gagging to get any of the Wales children as pupils.

MrsFinkelstein · 22/12/2023 09:50

whirlingdevonish · 22/12/2023 08:57

I think it was probably very hard for William (and especially Harry) at Eton. Lots of super selection going on, and stellar expectations (rightly bc of the resources). And if you're nowhere near the top of that pile I think you'd feel it.

I think it was probably hard for them as their parents were going through an ugly, very public divorce. Then their mum died, and the subsequent media hysteria over that - that lasted for years, and the rumours that grew from it.

Socially there - they'd have no worries. And academically tbh, I think they'd both fit in fairly well. William came out with pretty good grades (for the era), and considering he was grieving, so clearly he's intelligent. (Not top %, but not many are, even at Eton). And Harry would have been 1 of a number of pupils who got in because of who their family was rather than being a stellar academic. He was very sporty so would have excelled there.

MrsFinkelstein · 22/12/2023 09:52

lepapillon · 22/12/2023 09:40

ABC was well above average in 2000, and above the requirements at St Andrews.

The grade inflation over the past 15 years has been absurd.

The rewriting of history is eye opening tbh.
ABC were very much above average in 1999/2000.
It is 23 years ago, so I suppose that means I'm very old in being alive then to remember what it was actually like at the time.

goodbyestranger · 22/12/2023 10:07

Most of the schools who they'd likely be considering will use these exams as entrance criteria

MrsFinkelstein a lot of schools use the same tests but the crucial point is that they have wildly varying marks at which they will accept pupils. A lot of independent schools are currently struggling to recruit, and the exams are an essential tool in their marketing (very seductive to feel your child has been 'selected'). A lot of it is baloney: many of these schools don't actually reject pupils, but their acceptance letters will always suggest the pupil has been fortunate to be offered a place. Eton is one of those schools where selection is a real thing, albeit a slightly different and less academic selection than say Westminster. But absolutely not at the not-really-selecting end of the scale. Things change, most usually (obviously) with a change of leadership. I agree that it's sensible to be looking at less selective schools - most parents going for Eton will be doing it - but the idea that there is any snub involved is ridiculous. If George doesn't attend it will be because the school has said it doesn't believe it's the right fit. And that isn't a snub the other way either - it's just treating George in a fair way for his own benefit and treating other pupils equally under the admissions criteria (If George took a place despite falling short of the mark, another pupil who had passed would be rejected. Also a ten year old. And that would be harsher than telling George that some things in life don't depend on a fortuitous title). All modestly laudable and something the rf would, I'm sure, embrace.

SecondUsername4me · 22/12/2023 10:11

If George doesn't attend it will be because the school has said it doesn't believe it's the right fit

Or because his parents decided on a different school?

MrsFinkelstein · 22/12/2023 10:11

@goodbyestranger if William & Catherine feel Eton is the best school for George then George will go to Eton.

You keep insinuating that he's failed. You have no idea. You know nothing about him.

And if his parents feel Eton is the school for him then that's the school he'll go to.
Edit - and if his parents feel another school is a better fit for him, then that's the school he'll go to. It won't be because Eton haven't given him a place.

Samcro · 22/12/2023 10:24

surely there is more to picking a school than just academic stuff.
george for instance might love science, so they look for a school that will meet that need.

AuroraCake · 22/12/2023 10:30

MrsFinkelstein · 22/12/2023 09:52

The rewriting of history is eye opening tbh.
ABC were very much above average in 1999/2000.
It is 23 years ago, so I suppose that means I'm very old in being alive then to remember what it was actually like at the time.

It wasn’t. I went to Uni the same year as him. And all but one of my friends A Levels was better. It was a Russell Group Uni…not as prestigious as St Andrews. It was good but an average grade to go to a good uni that time. Wouldn’t get you in now. But for Eton where everyone got A’s it would have been below average.

AuroraCake · 22/12/2023 10:32

Samcro · 22/12/2023 10:24

surely there is more to picking a school than just academic stuff.
george for instance might love science, so they look for a school that will meet that need.

Course there is. William and a Harry went to Eton because it was their mothers families school. Eton isn’t the be all and end all. And for security at the moment ai would think nightmare.

goodbyestranger · 22/12/2023 10:59

Well Mrs Finkelstein I'm afraid to say that on the basis of all available intelligence (using that term broadly), I strongly disagree that it's in William and Kate's gift to tell the HT of Eton that the school has to make a place available regardless of the results of the entrance test.

goodbyestranger · 22/12/2023 11:06

Or because his parents decided on a different school?

Obviously that will be the line spun and the spinning has already begun. That's fine but yet another example of the rf spin machine thinking the public collectively is significantly more stupid than it actually is. So much is fake.

crumblingschools · 22/12/2023 11:06

Are you the HT @goodbyestranger?

EdithWeston · 22/12/2023 11:15

CarolinaInTheMorning · 21/12/2023 15:58

I agree it should have been done a long time ago, before William and Harry had children. It was obviously on the RF's radar when the decision was made for Edward and Sophie's children not to use royal titles.

I think Charles will need to wait a while, but I do think he will do it at some point.

It was, in respect of the Cambridge DC. The LPs that meant all the DC of the grandchild of the monarch in direct line (ie William) would be Prince/ss were issued in 2012 - George wasn't born until July 2013

It was done because the old LPs would have meant that if the first two DC had been born the other way round, there would have been the nonsense of the eldest, and next heir in the direct line being Lady Charlotte, whilst her little brother could have been HRH Prince George (though I would have hoped they'd have done a Wessex and not used it) followed by Lord Louis.

They still need a tidy up about male and female lines though, because it's royal styles only for DGC in the male line, and if George hypothetically has a daughter first, her DC would be untitled (unless the father were titled and they got something from him) whereas her hypothetical little brother's DC could be HRH Prince/ss. But the birth order of the little Wales means this can probably be parked for a decade or more!