George going to Marlborough? Article linked.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12872215/William-kate-snub-eton-george-marlborough-college-second-visit.html

Charles could have stuck to his guns and done it.

they were both born before the Queen died so guess it was up to her not Charles. The optics of removing titles once given would have been bad, can you imagine The Markles reaction?

Apparently Charles asked Harry how he felt after Queen died. He obviously said: gimme gimme gimme.

The Danish situation caused a lot of vocal opposition in a family that seems fairly united. So you can imagine the response.

He didn't fot a quiet life. Not a hill he was willing to die on.

But there are moves in a positive direction. Dukedoms for life etc. I imagine Sussex will be last to pass down and that will again be a Russian emigree thing. They don't matter.

Next is only children and siblings and monarch and if Charlotte or Louis have children that their children either have a lesser title.ala Princess Margaret's children amd Edwards or none at all. And that both sets are treated the same. No gender difference.

Wow the Russian emigre thing on repeat as a stick to beat Harry with is very unpleasant.

Some people here are that kind of thing (myself included, albeit Polish/ Ukrainian). It's bordering on racism, at least arguably. At the very least you're stereotyping titled East Europeans in an extremely unpleasant way. Most of us ignore the titles because they're not that funky without the associated castles and land.

The rules about titles are nothing to do with Harry - the rule is that grandchildren of the monarch are titled Prince or Princess. Of course, they don't have to use these titles - Anne and Edward chose not to - but equally Andrew and Charles used them for their children.

The Queen changed the ruling for William so that Charlotte and Louis were princess/prince before Charles was King - historically only the eldest great-grandchild would be a prince.

I think the Danish change of removing titles from children who had had them since birth was unfair.

It would make far more sense IMHO to introduce a rule whereby only the children of the eldest child or grandchild are made prince/ princess, but do it before that next generation are imminent.

Not sure how to describe it properly, but in practice, I agree Charlotte and Louis were right to be Princess and Prince. Archie and Lili shouldn't, even after Charles' accession.

Going forward, it should only be George's children, and this should be introduced before he's anywhere close to adulthood.

Ita seriously a joke as in post revolution there were loads of titled Russians everywhere with a useless title. Precisely. Same true in Italy and others.

That was the point. Useless title.

Not true.

Anne's were never given the option as her husband didn't have a title. Something that should change as in men and women treated the same.

They made moves to reduce the titles with Edwards. This should have continued.

Arguably she hit it with a blunt stick.

No one would advocate remov9ng Bea and Eug's titles.

Yes but in future only Heirs children should be Prince(ss).

Other grandchildren should be either Lord or Lady or nothing. Up to them.

Anne's were never given the option as her husband didn't have a title. Something that should change as in men and women treated the same.

Good point. Whatever is done, it needs to apply to males and females equally. As it stands now, only grandchildren of the monarch in the male line are entitled to royal titles. When William becomes king, George and Louis's children would have royal titles, but not Charlotte's.

And even great-grandchildren in the male line have non-royal titles. Prince Michael of Kent's children have the titles of Lord and Lady. His sister's children have none.

Exactly. She should have done it long-ago instead of adding to it. It shouldn't be up yo members of the RF to choose. Especially when they seem to be incapable of bringing ip children without a massive sense of entitlement ( unsurprisingly considering hereditary monarchy is the pinnacle of unearned entitlement.

I agree. It needs to be done by Charles as he planned. Otherwise you have William taking titles away from his grandchildren, maybe after they are born.

Yeah needs to be brought in by Charles. However, we are years away from George etc al having children and Charles probably wants dust to settle on Sussexes. And changes only tend to come in when it's imminent. A lot changes happened when Late was pregnant with George.

Also they may have been planning it when Meghasn was pregnant but obviously the conversations were met with a brick wall of hysteria so they dropped it.

It really didn’t seem jovial in relation to Harry. And while you laugh about useless titles possibly remember that most of these families were decimated, with a lot of people murdered in cold blood, as well as losing all their property and goods. So not actually that funny, to anyone with even a passing interest in history.

I know my history extremely well.

I apologise if it offended anyone but the point was they have royal titles, in another country, destined to not represent the country in any way.

Not even to show up in a family. It was a cold binary comparison.

I agree it should have been done a long time ago, before William and Harry had children. It was obviously on the RF's radar when the decision was made for Edward and Sophie's children not to use royal titles.

I think Charles will need to wait a while, but I do think he will do it at some point.

i can't imagine KC will take titles away. the optics would be awful. but do agree that going forward it should stop with Georges children.
C/L/A/L future off spring should not be prince or princess.

Perhaps the long-term plan had been not to give titles to Harry's children (before he met MM). The Oprah interview could have been a strategic way to prevent that happening

I meant to add, I think if Charles does issue new Letters Patent, the application will be prospective and not affect any people who already have royal titles.

The titles are clearly and demonstrably of vital importance to Harry and Meghan. To the extent where children being raised outside of the royal family and outside the UK are using Prince and Princess titles, because of parental choice.

True. Plus he'd never be instrumental in removing titles. Can you imagine how they'd respond to that?!

Yes true.

Charles will have to do it, so then all George's children after the first born, and all of Charlotte's and Louis' children won't have useless titles.

Solves the problem that people seem concerned about early on.

Not even to show up in a family. It was a cold binary comparison.

AuroraCake I don’t understand this sentence.

And while you laugh about useless titles possibly remember that most of these families were decimated, with a lot of people murdered in cold blood, as well as losing all their property and goods.

Yes indeed - along with millions of others. Stalin and his cronies were really wicked men, but for some reason supporting Stalin never invites the same censure as supporting fascist leaders.

It's this or it's that. They are outside the country, with a national royal title that means nothing in that country. Same as what happened to many displaced and not so displaced royals all-over the world.

In one way they are the same as them. They have useless titles that mean nothing.

I mean they say the titles are only to be used in official ways. But they have no official responsibilities. Its just the UK media when they talk about them.

There was no emotion in the comparison I made and none meant. Of course it was immense horrific for many families.

Let's not forget the royal family didn't want the Grand Duchess Xenia, or Olga whichever one it was who was living in Frogmore Cottage, grandchildren anywhere near Elizabeth and Margaret.

Does the Prince / Princess title stop with Harry's children or will their children get titles too? I don't believe Beatrice & Eugenie's children have titles but not sure if that's by choice or that's just the rules!