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Extensive Phone Hacking by MGN

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Roussette · 15/12/2023 11:04

So... Harry has won his case.

As lawyers are saying now... this is massive. 15 out of 33 accusations of hacking by Harry were upheld as a result of phone hacking and other illegal practices.
Hacking and blagging were even taking place during the Leveson enquiry.

He has won damages of £140,000 plus. And before this thread descends into Harry hate, please think of all the other claimants who have also had their claims upheld and damages awarded to them. They went through hell, medical records hacked and reported on, trackers on cars, phones hacked...

It's not about the money, it's about 'accountability of power'.

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themessygarden · 19/12/2023 11:58

And I think I saw upthread Max Mosley being credited too! Not sure if that is the same F1 guy , a public figure, who was exposed as being a fan of nazi wearing sadomasochistic games with prostitutes, and then campaigned for the rest of his days against press freedom.

@whattheactualfrog I too agree with your comments.

TallerSally · 19/12/2023 12:01

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Sisterpita · 19/12/2023 12:03

themessygarden · 19/12/2023 11:58

And I think I saw upthread Max Mosley being credited too! Not sure if that is the same F1 guy , a public figure, who was exposed as being a fan of nazi wearing sadomasochistic games with prostitutes, and then campaigned for the rest of his days against press freedom.

@whattheactualfrog I too agree with your comments.

Max Mosley won his case and proved there was no evidence of nazism. He then funded cases for others.

Still you slur him when his son committed suicide because of the lies.

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Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:07

Please go back and read an actual solicitor's view on it for some sense and perspective

Please don't tell me what to do. It's actually rude. Even if you do say 'please'

And you are incorrect and I will repeat a PP.

There are 148 published articles on which the Duke of Sussex relies... In order to make the trial manageable within the 7 weeks allotted for it, a selection of 33 of Prince Harry's articles was agreed by the parties as a representative sample

There remains 115 articles not yet looked at concerning Prince Harry.

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themessygarden · 19/12/2023 12:07

He deserved to be exposed.

A slur 😀

Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:10

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themessygarden · 19/12/2023 12:12

By the way, his son was a long term heroin user, who died of an accidental overdose., not suicide. See how reports can be manipulated to present your own version of events if it doesnt fit your narrative,

lepapillon · 19/12/2023 12:19

Janiie · 19/12/2023 11:55

'Call it what you will. If you can't stand him winning, it will be interpreted as jubilation to you.'

I don't mind at all, if 15 out of his 148 claims were found 'may or probably' were due to hacking. Good on all the other claimants too.

Again my point is the reaction is disproportionate. Good king Harry (yes said on here), the dragon slayer said by Harold himself. It's absolutely ott, laughable really.

Please go back and read an actual solicitor's view on it for some sense and perspective.

Please go back and read an actual solicitor's view on it for some sense and perspective.

Could you link to some? I haven't seen any

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Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:20

Personally I find it completely abhorrent to talk about someone who took his own life like this in posts on here to score points. He was a much loved, hugely talented man who had a lot of demons.
Please can we just drop this.

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Cakester · 19/12/2023 12:27

So my last post and link was about the Met and their close involvement with reporters... more on that

Leveson found successive Met commissioners had tried to boost the public image of the police by courting the media: "A number of commissioners have deliberately courted working relationships with the press, no doubt partly in an attempt to enhance the standing of the service in the minds of the public; others have adopted a more remote style."
Leveson says the problems with the police and press relationship were predominantly an issue to do with the Met, and not most other forces in England and Wales:

I think this is an important part of the conversation, as it impacts things like time limitations and who was identified then. They only seemed to identify NOTW in their investigations, but it was clearly more widespread. How did they miss all the evidence found by claimants going through the civil courts, not just Harry but over the years there has been many others.

The phone-hacking crisis began in July 2009 when the Guardian ran the first of a series of articles revealing the practice was widespread at the News of the World, debunking the official version that it had been limited to one rogue reporter.
Sir Paul Stephenson asked the then assistant commissioner John Yates to examine the story.
Yates took no more than eight hours in July 2009 to decide there was no need to reopen the criminal inquiry.

Many of the senior Met figures caught up in the phone-hacking row have left not just the force but policing.
In July 2011 the then commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, resigned, followed the next day by Yates. The head of press, Dick Fedorcio also left.

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Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:29

The resignations are very telling aren't they?

And sadly the Met have not improved their public image. If anything it has degenerated.

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Sisterpita · 19/12/2023 12:36

@Roussette sorry.

themessygarden · 19/12/2023 12:39

Sisterpita · 19/12/2023 12:17

Max won and at the time had the highest ever payout. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/24/mosley.privacy

I admit I had forgotten the suicide was debunked as another tabloid lie.

Several years later …….

The Daily Mail uncovered uncomfortable allegations regarding his youthful political activities and, more significantly, suggested he was less than candid about this in court during his 2008 privacy battle with the News of the World.

The Daily Mail and Channel 4 News have uncovered a “racist” UK political pamphlet from 1961 which bears press reform campaigner Max Mosley’s name as a publisher.
The pamphlet, partially reproduced in the Mail today, warns British voters that “coloured immigration threatens your children’s health”.
The Mail’s front page today asks: “Did F1 Tycoon Lie to Orgy Trial?” alongside 11 pages of coverage and a leader column on the former motor racing boss, with more planned tomorrow.

rosyglowcondition · 19/12/2023 12:42

Iamalawyer · 18/12/2023 11:23

I knew Tim Fancourt well when we were juniors, I instructed him on a lot of cases and have been to trial with him. Our area of expertise - which is not media, privacy or defamation law, but nevertheless a highly technical discipline - takes a meticulous mind. He's incredibly bright, measured and fair.

I do think people should make an attempt to read the judgment. Harry's rather ill advised and grandiose statement outside court is covering for a lot of clear exasperation on the part of the judge, for his representation's ill thought out and badly pleaded and evidenced heads of claim. My DH and I are litigation solicitors of 30+ years' experience, and we both agreed we'd be utterly embarrassed to have the judge have to sift through and cross reference our evidence for us, because it was so poorly presented; never mind that some of the claims were just plainly and provably without evidence of hacking or illegal information gathering. If his best claims were put forward in the 33 that were tried, I wonder what the other claims consisted of.

Harry was undoubtedly the victim of phone hacking and illegal information gathering, and that was utterly wrong. However, given his family's involvement previously in the matter of phone hacking, I don't understand why he thinks he's a dragon slayer or any other sort of hero. Personal vindication is something that, yes perhaps, was more important for him than anything else, but only up to a certain point given what the judge has said about the evidence, and certainly not what the court system is designed for, as his unfortunate co-claimants are going to find out to their cost. Rich people, who can afford a substantial costs penalty, waging their vendettas and ignoring the Civil Procedure Rules is the height of entitlement. Given the paucity of evidence, both in substance and presentation, I would expect Harry to carry a substantial costs burden (and that's before consideration of any Part 36 offers that were tabled).

There you go.

rosyglowcondition · 19/12/2023 12:43

Clues in the name as they say.

Cakester · 19/12/2023 12:48

oh yes, the poster telling us to read the judgement who hadn't read the judgement!

Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:50

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Cakester · 19/12/2023 12:50

Roussette · 19/12/2023 12:29

The resignations are very telling aren't they?

And sadly the Met have not improved their public image. If anything it has degenerated.

There is something very rotten in the Met. It's still there.

I'll leave you all to it, the derailing of a decent thread and moderating in general of this forum is not worth my time anymore.

themessygarden · 19/12/2023 12:55

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PerkingFaintly · 19/12/2023 13:00

Thank you very much to all the very informative posters on this thread.

It's a shame it hasn't had the same level of attention as threads on salacious gossip and speculation about celebs, Royal Family included. This illegal behaviour by some media groups hasn't just caused personal misery to their targets high and low, it's a threat to our democracy.

It's really important for there to be sunshine on this.

whattheactualfrog · 19/12/2023 13:02

Oh my… the Mosleys are brave, persecuted defenders of truth and justice now are they? Good heavens.

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Roussette · 19/12/2023 13:04

You are way off the mark messy.

It is Alexander Mosley who died. Maybe read about him and stop accusing me of hypocrisy. He was a clever, talented, much loved man. Some say a genius. And it's mean, upsetting and embarrassing that you are now calling him all sorts of despicable names.

Here is a link. Educate yourself.

By the way... the thread's all yours now. Do with it what you will. Even use it to besmirch a poor tortured guy who died far too early.

Help yourself.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/the-lost-potential-of-max-mosley-s-genius-son-6794858.html

The lost potential of Max Mosley’s genius son

For all the many achievements to his name, it was, ultimately, a life tragically wasted.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/the-lost-potential-of-max-mosley-s-genius-son-6794858.html

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jeffgoldblum · 19/12/2023 13:16

I've read that link and it says nothing about taking his own life.

whattheactualfrog · 19/12/2023 13:21

jeffgoldblum · 19/12/2023 13:16

I've read that link and it says nothing about taking his own life.

He died of a drug overdose, it is very sad… but absolutely nothing to do with the press*

(*other than that his father was a much much worse example of an uber wealthy, well-connected man using his money and power to suppress free speech and maintain a lifestyle above accountability than Harry could ever be. Awful man. He became the champion of every posh actor that doesn’t want the press reporting their bad behaviour.)

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