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Pennyapple · 2023-12-11T17:46:15+00:00

[[https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-ordered-to-pay-mail-on-sunday-nearly-50-000-after-losing-attempt-to-strike-out-part-of-papers-defence-in-libel-case-13028178 https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-ordered-to-pay-mail-on-sunday-nearly-50-000-after-losing-attempt-to-strike-out-part-of-papers-defence-in-libel-case-13028178]] And so it begins 😁 I'm sure 50k is only small change to him though..

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:26

JemimaTiggywinkles · 13/12/2023 10:26

Neutral indeed. No bias at all.

Well hopefully the courts will be able to determine whether correct procedures were followed or if they were led by bias. I suspect the former is true.

Not like several members of the MP who exchanged vile racist messages about H&M, or various MP's asking them to be stripped.

MPs are not on ravec afaik. I haven't seen racist messages exchanged between MPs but it wouldn't surprise me. However, asking for them to be stripped would be outrageous! Do you mean "stripped of their titles" which is a completely different thing?

Based on what that old decrepit fool said about Meghan alone and how it was minimized, I would not take seriously any assessments of threats against H or M.

Clarkson is a horrible person and all decent people condemned what he said about Meghan. However, he isn't on ravec and has absolutely no influence over their decision making or the assessment of risk.

Please don't be patronising. Did I imply Clarkson was on Ravec? The job of Ravec is to assess threats no? He made a grotesque statement that many ran with and liked and a newspaper deemed it fit to publish. Based on that alone, that is an elevated threat - the reception of a selection of society to stripping a black woman who is married into the BRF naked and pelting her with faeces.

And you know I meant stripped of their titles, yes and several racist messages are circulated within MP group chats and members of the metroplitan police. Didn't BJ say black people were piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'. Just last week, 8 police officers were given a smack on the wrist i.e suspended sentence for sending grotesque racist messages about MM on a whatsapp group.

Let's not pretend those prejudices don't exist. It is tiring, irritating and quite frankly idiotic.

The person responsible in law for RAVEC is the Home Sec. The committee is made up of members of the royal household, home office officials and police. So yes I question their neutrality.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:32

The committee is made up of members of the royal household, home office officials and police. So yes I question their neutrality

What would you prefer? a few people off the street who have no idea about security, let alone security for high risk persons? the police on RAVEC and members of the royal household have a very good insight into the threats posed to prominent people, and THAT'S what they base their judgements on.

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:40

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:32

The committee is made up of members of the royal household, home office officials and police. So yes I question their neutrality

What would you prefer? a few people off the street who have no idea about security, let alone security for high risk persons? the police on RAVEC and members of the royal household have a very good insight into the threats posed to prominent people, and THAT'S what they base their judgements on.

their qualifications aren't in doubt, the bias is.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:40

And for all you know the people on RAVEC might be very well disposed generally towards PH, just not in the matter of security. Bet you wouldn't be questioning their neutrality then.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:42

their qualifications aren't in doubt, the bias is

Presumably you can back that up with evidence that they're biased against him.

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:43

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:42

their qualifications aren't in doubt, the bias is

Presumably you can back that up with evidence that they're biased against him.

I have nothing to prove to you- I don't work for you. You can provide evidence that they are not if you so desire.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:45

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:43

I have nothing to prove to you- I don't work for you. You can provide evidence that they are not if you so desire.

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I'll take that as a no, then.

As we don't even know who the members of RAVEC are, any assertions that they're biased against PH can be regarded as nonsensical, IMO.

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:52

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/12/2023 13:45

I'll take that as a no, then.

As we don't even know who the members of RAVEC are, any assertions that they're biased against PH can be regarded as nonsensical, IMO.

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Good for you.

JaneyGee · 13/12/2023 14:01

Well, he isn't paying. We're paying through our taxes. I've never understood the affection for this ugly, vulgar, ignorant little oaf. He received the best education money can buy (an education we paid for) and came out with a B and D in his A-levels. He's basically a charmless little yob with a posh accent.

smilesy · 13/12/2023 14:02

Myfabby · 13/12/2023 13:40

their qualifications aren't in doubt, the bias is.

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I’ve said this elsewhere, but what does he want extra Soecial Protection for exactly? He is unlikely to come over here for a jolly. If did come over (and even if he brought the kids), it would presumably to see family and he would have security if he was on a royal estate and / or with another senior Royal. He would have to give notice that he was doing this and so security would in all probability be provided Given that his wife allegedly never wants to come here again, it’s unlikely that the children will come anyway ( certainly while they are small)

Maireas · 13/12/2023 16:41

JaneyGee · 13/12/2023 14:01

Well, he isn't paying. We're paying through our taxes. I've never understood the affection for this ugly, vulgar, ignorant little oaf. He received the best education money can buy (an education we paid for) and came out with a B and D in his A-levels. He's basically a charmless little yob with a posh accent.

Yet seems to have a huge fanbase on MN, to the extent where people calling themselves "Republicans" argue vociferously for his privilege in this, and other areas. As if he's some sort of anti monarchy hero. It's really very odd.

FloofCloud · 13/12/2023 18:03

@Maireas - it's hardly a fan base - only a few usual people pipe up in his and her defence ... most aren't fans ... at all!

Maireas · 13/12/2023 18:29

FloofCloud · 13/12/2023 18:03

@Maireas - it's hardly a fan base - only a few usual people pipe up in his and her defence ... most aren't fans ... at all!

True! It's still very strange, though!

rosyglowcondition · 13/12/2023 19:45

FloofCloud · 13/12/2023 18:03

@Maireas - it's hardly a fan base - only a few usual people pipe up in his and her defence ... most aren't fans ... at all!

Apart from a handful of vociferous diehards with a lot of time on their hands, Harry and Meghan don't have many supporters on this board. It confuses the heck out of me how republicans support a prince and his wife who were given titles in anticipation of working for the RF and country, who left, gave their children titles and refuse to give them up, use them at every turn to make money, and then demand our taxes pay for their security when they give zero back. Makes no sense at all.

Maireas · 13/12/2023 19:47

In a nutshell, @rosyglowcondition 👍

BoohooWoohoo · 13/12/2023 19:56

Pennyapple · 13/12/2023 10:29

But surely the only state visits needed were his grandparents funerals & his fathers coronation. Surely he won't need to visit in that capacity for a number of years again so why is he demanding it?

I agree that it’s very reasonable for there to be a risk assessment for each visit that he makes to the UK and for protection to be provided if it’s “business” like funerals, memorial service etc

If the UK gives him IPP status then he’ll be able to argue that he gets free VIP protection everywhere in the world and save millions a year. That includes Secret Service protection funded by US taxpayers.

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Pennyapple · 13/12/2023 20:05

@rosyglowcondition perfectly summerised 💯

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Tigger1895 · 13/12/2023 20:12

Pennyapple · 11/12/2023 18:56

So does he pay for his own security out of the UK but the second he arrives back in the UK he expects the taxpayer to foot the bill?

No. He wants the opportunity to pay for it. It really isn’t that difficult to research

Portakalkedi · 13/12/2023 20:22

Ha ha ha! Idiot!

rosyglowcondition · 13/12/2023 20:38

@Tigger1895 The whole point of this thread is that he only offered to pay after his challenge to the home office was made public. Don't believe his 'spin' as the judge calls it.

wildernesssw · 13/12/2023 21:34

But surely the proof - as much as it can be proved - that RAVEC tends to make the right decisions is that no-one high profile has been killed/kidnapped in the Uk for a long time?

Without any money being paid?

Tigger1895 · 13/12/2023 22:49

rosyglowcondition · 13/12/2023 20:38

@Tigger1895 The whole point of this thread is that he only offered to pay after his challenge to the home office was made public. Don't believe his 'spin' as the judge calls it.

So its a hit piece?

JemimaTiggywinkles · 14/12/2023 11:53

No. He wants the opportunity to pay for it. It really isn’t that difficult to research

It is also not difficult to research the fact that in the UK our police and security services are not available to hire! Nobody at all is allowed to pay for it. It is given when deemed necessary (at no cost).

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 12:54

JemimaTiggywinkles · 14/12/2023 11:53

No. He wants the opportunity to pay for it. It really isn’t that difficult to research

It is also not difficult to research the fact that in the UK our police and security services are not available to hire! Nobody at all is allowed to pay for it. It is given when deemed necessary (at no cost).

He's not a nobody. And the circumstances are quite exceptional. And there is a cost actually.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 14/12/2023 13:07

I’m sure the judge looked at the evidence before coming to his decision

So hardly a hit piece

The thread is discussing the result of the court case