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Roussette · 05/10/2023 21:12

@colourwheelofortune

You are labelling posters who don't agree with you with certain words, so, yes I will pick you up on that. It IS goading. There are many choice words I could use to describe those who continually swamp royal threads with long posts about how awful H&M are... however, I will refrain.

We are not a homogeneous lump all thinking the same. We are different posters with varying views and I will not be labelled as part of a 'certain faction'. So please refrain.

That diminution was entirely down to the Sussexes
Yeah... rightio.... Andrew did nothing... got you.

Your original post and my response to you, speaks for itself. There is no more that I want to say.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 07/10/2023 11:53

@IwantcakeeverydayYour post was very offensive to me and a PA. I will not report as I want posts like this to stand for all to see. I did not object to other people having an opinion regarding their views on the RFs status, so please do not say I did. If you wish to criticise them go ahead, it is your valid opinion and I at least show some respect for your view, even if I disagree with it.
However, this comment from you is completely unacceptable.
stop commenting on where and how often people comment, its actually against the guidelines of this forum and its goading.
I have contacted MN and they looked at my post and have said it does not break guidelines. So I'm asking you to please not use threatening language. If you believe any post I put up breaks guidelines, just report it, don't use aggressive language.

Its not a personal attack, and it certainly isn't a threat, how ridiculous, so please don't make that false accusation. Threatening behaviour is absolutely not ok and I won't be accused bn you of engaging in that.

It's a response to you and your comments directed at a bunch of posters that I felt was goading. You haven;t reported my comment because there is no personal attack in it and it would not be removed.

stop commenting on where and how often people comment, its actually against the guidelines of this forum and its goading
This is not an attack, its asking you to stop saying things like this:
by the Sussex supporters who seem to feature so heavily in the RF section of MN.

This is a remark that is unnecessary and in m opinion goads others and starts arguments that are really just a pain for everyone. There is no need for you to comment on how often people post here, which is what you did. Harry is the son of the King and thats why there is thread after thread about him and his wife, which are not normally stated by supporters but by those that are very much not supporters of the couple. If people like yourself who constantly criticise them did not do so, you wouldn't get supporters coming to this board to defend them.
it is your valid opinion and I at least show some respect for your view,
I do not agree with this, for me its quite the opposite, a total lack of respect is shown.

KimMumsnet · 07/10/2023 13:52

Good afternoon, all. Please, in the first instance, report to us any posts which you feel break our Talk Guidelines rather than calling each other out on the thread. Posting in that way derails threads and results in them being deleted. Many thanks.

EnoughIsay · 08/11/2023 00:39

colourwheelofortune · 04/10/2023 20:31

Harry has damaged it irreparably

I think Harry and Meghan tried very hard to damage the monarchy. I think they hoped to set up a royal court in America to rival the BRF and needed to damage them to achieve it. Initially they did damage the RF but as they pushed the envelope further and further it backfired on them spectacularly and they are now not popular (except with their fanbase) in the UK or America. The RF however, regardless of the noisy republican faction, are growing in influence and popularity. William and Kate are the most popular royals in America with high ratings, and their comparative youth appeals to a wide range of people. The King has only been in the job for a year, so it will take time to unwind all the outdated protocols and respond to calls for greater transparency.

Their policy of silence in the face of months of attacks, lies and smear campaigns has proven to be the correct one. Personally I wasn't much bothered with them, but seeing a family attacked so relentlessly and unfairly, actually made me want to support them more. I think they're doing a good job but still have a long way to go to appeal to more people. Charles' appearances in Germany and France, and Williams in New York, with large enthusiastic crowds, demonstrate they are far more popular than you are led to believe by the Sussex supporters who seem to feature so heavily in the RF section of MN.

This post says it all - the king is so irrelevant he can only be discussed in terms of his son.

Time to go I say!

Roussette · 08/11/2023 08:18

An hereditary billionaire with 23 luxury residences including multiple palaces sits on a gold throne and reads out a list a measures that will do nothing for the poor, the hungry or the homeless...KingsSpeech

🔼 This is what I feel at the moment. At least he had the good grace to look a tad uncomfortable at what he was saying and C&C got to wear the sparkly crowns!

ThreeBearsPorridge · 08/11/2023 08:39

I feel very sorry for Charles and William. I don’t think they want the life they have at all, but feel they have to try and live up to the legacy left by the Queen. It really serves no one’s interests to keep the show on the road. However dismantling the Monarchy would be a legal and logistical nightmare, and I don’t know what it would be replaced with. Our politicians are certainly not fit to lead the country.

I also think the RF have been attacked so viciously from within that I do have a lot of sympathy for and with them and think they’ve handled it well. On the other hand it’s just not defensible for one family to hold all that wealth and privilege, especially in current times. All these households to run and all the private jets and helicopters etc are extremely bad for the planet too.

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 10:42

Re the ‘attacks’ from within there wouldn’t be attacks if the Windsors weren’t so terribly dysfunctional as the recent Bylines Times investigation has revealed

Of course lots of families are also dysfunctional but they arent holding themselves up as ‘first family ‘ with a God given place above the law and taking millions and million from the country each year . It’s the lies .

I know people say they love the ‘pomp’ and I only caught a glimpse of the nonsense but honestly - it has gone behind parody now . The UK looks really foolish and backward
By all means have Charlie Windsor open parliament and your black rod play acting if people want that but have Charles in a dark suit and arrive in a electric car like it it’s 2023 !

Couldnt all those robes be sold and the money given to help keep children warm
and fed this winter . I’m sure who ever does the costumes for Disney could run up copies and no one would be any the wiser .
The jewels can go toward the slavery reparations bill that isn’t going away

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 10:44

Btw @ThreeBearsPorridge , there is nothing stopping Charles and William walking away .

It has been done before .
Yet somehow they don’t

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 10:53

@Roussette

Yes to how jarring it was having bedecked and bejewelled Charles read about child poverty in the UK
it what really struck me was the harsher sentences for rapists part of the Kings speech
And Charles sits there reading that knowing Andrew raped trafficked teenagers and the ‘royals’ closed ranks and protected him .
One law for us .
No law for them .

themessygarden · 08/11/2023 11:54

I don't feel sorry for Charles and William or any of the RF, Its a great gig for those who have it 😁 The majority of the UK public are in favour of the monarchy, despite the inequality of it, so I doubt it will be dismantled anytime soon.

Hypothetically though, IF the UK became a republic, I suspect they would all cling on to their royal titles, same as the ex Greek Royal family have done, its utterly ridiculous, the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Greece, with even their kids being called Prince and Princess of Greece, despite being born outside Greece and the Greek Monarchy having been abolished decades ago. It's such a joke.

The best Charles and William can do going forward is to really work on slimming down the number of households they are running and also slimming down the adjacents to the Monarchy using and benefitting from Royal Titles (Beatrice, Eugenie, Fergie, Meghan, Archie, Lilibeth et al). Those would be massive first steps and I think something the British public would be very supportive and encouraging of.

People all over the world, not only in the UK, absolutely LOVE the pomp and circumstance, no way does it make the UK look backward in the slightest. On the contrary, I think people the world over are fascinated and enthralled by the historical significance and longevity of all these traditions and ceremonies.

meercat23 · 08/11/2023 12:09

Looking at the calibre of politicians we have at the moment I don't feel in any hurry to rush towards an elected head of state. President Johnson anyone? Not for me.

TodayInahurry · 08/11/2023 12:15

Supporter of the monarchy, we need them to maintain or traditions. Agree we could otherwise end up with President Blair or Johnson!

CurlewKate · 08/11/2023 13:41

To be honest, I don't think it matters who we have as head of state. Or whether we actually have one. So if we must have one, the cheaper the better, frankly.

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 14:11

FYI @meercat23 and @TodayInahurry
There is no law stating we must have a president - and btw don’t get confused with French and American presidents , that’s a completely different system

If we do have a President , we can easily exclude politicians - most ceremonial presidents are not former politicans.

Even if we did have a politician- he can be voted out .

The only majority in favour of the Windsors is in the 65+ age group .

As things stand we need reform . The UK is failing by many international metrics and the excessive riches of the Windsors has a dystopian feel in 2023

Windsors should not be above the law , they should be on a salary as a president would be , no interference in laws , one ‘palace’ etc.
Most people would be happy with that .

I don’t think the Windsors would though . You wouldn’t see themfor dust I suspect

CurlewKate · 08/11/2023 14:23

@meercat23 "Looking at the calibre of politicians we have at the moment I don't feel in any hurry to rush towards an elected head of state."

I feel the same about the calibre of members of the royal family...

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 08/11/2023 14:32

I can see the need for them in a way as impartial heads of state, but I don’t like or respect any of them.

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 15:18

They aren’t impartial though . They are tories and they interfere In laws all the time - in their own favour of course
they don’t give a damn about the people of the UK - I suppose they are impartial in that sense .

When ‘austerity ‘ happened and children’s centres were being shut all
over the country and old people’s care services reduced etc the queen did nothing .
Oh except she heard that the niche training centre for army bag pipers was facing cuts so she stepped in and had that stopped - because she liked bag pipers I suppose
Sure start ? ‘Impartial ‘

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 08/11/2023 15:29

Well as you can probably guess, I’m not a big fan of that family but on the surface at least they are meant to be impartial. They probably are not totally impartial though. Anyway, I’m not really arguing with you so…

ThreeBearsPorridge · 08/11/2023 15:37

Novella4 · 08/11/2023 10:44

Btw @ThreeBearsPorridge , there is nothing stopping Charles and William walking away .

It has been done before .
Yet somehow they don’t

Who would become Monarch if they both stepped down? That would massively massively devalue the monarchy and cause absolute chaos. They know that.

JSMill · 08/11/2023 16:22

I like Charles. He seems like a warm man with a good sense of humour. He's certainly achieved a lot with the platform he was given. The Prince's Trust has done fabulous work but also other projects like Dumfries House have made a real difference.

LadyWiddiothethird · 08/11/2023 16:26

Loved the Queen,she is irreplaceable.Have no interest in Charles,but I do like William.

If it ever went to a referendum I would vote to end the monarchy.

CathyorClaire · 08/11/2023 21:01

Who would become Monarch if they both stepped down?

Andrew? 😱

Surely the biggest argument against a hereditary monarchy in modern times.

derxa · 08/11/2023 21:06

CathyorClaire · 08/11/2023 21:01

Who would become Monarch if they both stepped down?

Andrew? 😱

Surely the biggest argument against a hereditary monarchy in modern times.

It wouldn't be Andrew. He's below Charlotte, George, Louis, Harry, Archie and Lillibet

CathyorClaire · 08/11/2023 21:19

derxa · 08/11/2023 21:06

It wouldn't be Andrew. He's below Charlotte, George, Louis, Harry, Archie and Lillibet

The thing would be involved in some capacity (regent?) though at least until George comes of age.

King Harold?

Arf.