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Meghan, Duchess of Sussex spotted out and about

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queentim · 16/08/2023 16:29

Recently spotted at a TSwift (allegedly), Barbie movie for her birthday, a restaurant, and then hanging out with friends in an Instagram selfie. She looks phenomenal in this photo!

Glad to see she's enjoying her life back home with her family.

Meghan summer selfie

A Rare New Selfie of Meghan Markle Shows Her Casual Late Summer Style

Meghan's friends offered the little peek into their private life together.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a44820862/meghan-markle-selfie-casual-late-summer-style/

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skullbabe · 26/09/2023 22:36

Uh huh “agenda”

The repeated flouncing.

The complete ignorance of the recent cases of black fishing in the media and social media especially when it comes to Meghan but other black coded topics too (see Dominique Samuels and a recent issue of Private Eye).

Meany POC piling on on poor defenceless “right thinking” women like Perdita.

Look - you’re not the tannoy at the train station - you don’t need to repeatedly inform everyone of your departure.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 26/09/2023 23:18

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Serenster · 26/09/2023 23:37

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MissElinorDashwood · 26/09/2023 23:42

It was so horrible that MNHQ banned all Meghan threads for a few months

I had no idea.

MissElinorDashwood · 26/09/2023 23:44

I already think it’s quite bad, I can’t imagine how much worse it must have been before. That’s sad to hear @MrsMaxDeWinter

StormzyinaTCup · 26/09/2023 23:58

Those of us who post in support of Meghan and Harry are mostly harassed with malicious reports. Just on this page, I have had a jokey, light hearted Scooby Doo-related post deleted for instance, but the post that responded to it, and that quoted my deleted post, is still up, because it was from a poster who does not like Meghan, and so was not reported.

Just a correction here if you don't mind. Your post broke guidelines and was deleted, however, at the time I posted a reply to you with said quote it was a little while later and I also was not aware your earlier post had been deleted (and MN would not have been able to delete it at the time as I hadn't posted it yet). I am more than happy for you to flag this up with MNHQ and get the quotation part of my post removed. I really don't think there is a MN vendetta against you but there are talk guidelines.

skullbabe · 27/09/2023 00:14

You are clearly new to these threads

Shes not new.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 27/09/2023 00:17

I don't know what Talk Guidelines I broke @StormzyinaTCup by posting a quote from YOU that said "Jinkies", itself a quote from Scooby Doo.

To which I added: "This place is HAUNTED", another quote from Scooby Doo,

I then followed it with the quote you took from my post, a quote you then reposted and which was NOT deleted.

So I am not sure which of all of that broke Guidelines.

Was it "Jinkies"!?

Was it "This place is HAUNTED"?

Was it the quote you extracted -- surely not, because yours has not been deleted.

Who knows.

It is late at night, and is all preposterous and rather silly. And no, MNHQ has no vendetta against me, but my communications with them have led me to draw my own conclusions about how the "Report" function works.

@Serenster I am sorry you feel patronised.

Perhaps next time, it may be a good idea to respond to what I actually wrote, and not what you think I wrote. Thank you.

StormzyinaTCup · 27/09/2023 00:22

Was it "Jinkies"!?

Grin I don't think so, unless it's got a meaning I'm completely unaware of!

PrincessTigger · 27/09/2023 00:28

@MrsMaxDeWinter Agree & as a ND person I struggle with understanding the MN rules sometimes as they can be so inconsistent… there is also RF forum etiquette which seems to change a lot and I don’t really follow. Just wish things could be more predictable!

I do usually report personal attacks, it seems like a coin toss whether they get taken down or not though. I’ve been thinking of giving up on the reporting option altogether.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 27/09/2023 00:31

Maybe "Jinkies" is a really rude colloquialism with which I am unfamiliar, as the country of South Africa was so generously donated to me last week as my nationality!

@PrincessOfTigger I too no longer bother to report anything!

Morestrangerthings1 · 27/09/2023 01:38

Because racism plays a part in the media and in social media in the attacks on Meghan Markle it has to be discussed. We can’t ignore one of the driving forces for these attacks. (I’m not saying everyone who finds fault with Meghan Markle is racist. But it is a factor much of the time.)

To ask that this be a place free from discussions about racism is quite like asking that this place be free from discussions of class and misogyny and sexism. (What exactly would be the point of mumsnet then?)

When we are discussing the Royal Family, all three - classism, racism and sexism - are very much part of the conversation. Even if we believe there are no racists in the RF, we can’t look past (1) the historical participation in slavery which allowed one race to subjugate and own another, and the ways in which present day RF members still benefit from it (2) the current RF members who are shying away from discussions about it.

Roussette · 27/09/2023 02:43

MissElinorDashwood · 26/09/2023 23:44

I already think it’s quite bad, I can’t imagine how much worse it must have been before. That’s sad to hear @MrsMaxDeWinter

It was much worse believe it or not. And I, and a very small number of other posters were lone voices pushing back. Detractors ruled the boards, hate threads were numbered, and reached a big number and a lot of this was before H&M even left, then it exploded when they did.

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)

It was (and still is at times) vile unwarranted nastiness. Every single thing about her was scrutinised and pulled apart in the most disgusting way. Whole threads about the way she held Archie. Literally 1,000 posts. More threads about how awfully she read a book to him, how she didn't deserve to be a mother, how she dressed him, his looks, her looks. She was mocked, derided and insulted. It became a bullying hunger games as to who could make the cheapest nastiest insult about both Meghan and by default those who tried to push back on here against it. It got so bad it even spawned a hate forum set up in competition where posters could be as racist as they liked as there was no moderation and where posters like me had dozens of posts a day about them saying what they couldn't say about me on here. Total character assassination day in day out.

A huge amount of posters were banned, then the Poundland version of MN folded and some came crawling back. Slowly but surely. (See disclaimer below,}

Yes, threads for 3 months were banned because of the sheer numbers and lack of MN moderators. It was a very peaceful time !
Please note...there are a small number of reasonable posters on here who aren't that keen on Meghan or the RF and put forward interesting points, what I have talked about does not apply to them

Serenster · 27/09/2023 06:21

Perhaps next time, it may be a good idea to respond to what I actually wrote, and not what you think I wrote. Thank you

Laughable.

What you wrote:

When posters have nothing good to say about ANYTHING that Meghan does, even scrutinising as you and others once famously did, the way she holds her hand to her face, when you itemise the Botox you claim she had (while howling that Kate has had none, none at all how dare you etc)

That’s a single sentence, in which the first highlighted “you” is a personal reference to me, but the other two uses of it in the very same sentence are not, you claim.

I would need to be psychic to know that you had switched from the second person singular pronoun to the second person plural pronoun in one sentence. Guess what: I’m not psychic. You could easily have made that clear if it was the case, and didn’t. Thank you.

Lectures on being “fair minded” from someone who refuses to back down on even something like this just look silly to me, you know. I’m perfectly comfortable with both my opinions and my posting style and have absolutely no interest in advice from angry people who don’t like either or both of them.

Serenster · 27/09/2023 06:25

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)

Since this seems like a reference to me, given I’m the only one who has posted this on this thread, I’d just like to point out that I have never name changed and only started posting on MN well after the Sussexes left.

AuroraCake · 27/09/2023 06:36

I wouldn’t dream of defending any of them really unless something was factually wrong. Why should I? They don’t need me. And in any case it isn’t worth getting involved because it’s a toxic environment. All any of us can do is call it as we see it. I mean we don’t know these people and have no real idea. Also while I am not a POC, all women do not speak for me, all people of my nationality and ethnicity do not speak for me. Why I do have when I hear a similar accent is a knowledge that that person will have a similar cultural reference to me.

LolaSmiles · 27/09/2023 06:38

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)
Could it be that there were quite a lot of posters who weren't followers of royal activities and didn't post on the royal boards until the split happened?

Some of the threads were awful about MM, but I do also think that there's some posters who genuinely had an ambivalent to positive view of the Sussexes that changed over time.

JSMill · 27/09/2023 07:00

LolaSmiles · 27/09/2023 06:38

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)
Could it be that there were quite a lot of posters who weren't followers of royal activities and didn't post on the royal boards until the split happened?

Some of the threads were awful about MM, but I do also think that there's some posters who genuinely had an ambivalent to positive view of the Sussexes that changed over time.

I think that pretty much describes me.

Roussette · 27/09/2023 07:02

Serenster · 27/09/2023 06:25

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)

Since this seems like a reference to me, given I’m the only one who has posted this on this thread, I’d just like to point out that I have never name changed and only started posting on MN well after the Sussexes left.

It wasn't actually specifically a reference to you. I cannot remember when you joined.
There are very very many posters who have said what I referred to. It's a massive reinvention of themselves to be honest. They might have liked her. They never said.

I will say Serenster and this is just my feeling and opinion.... I know you haven't criticised Meghan directly in the early days, your posts were more putting others' posts right, but I have never ever seen anything positive you have said about her at all and lately it's much more negative about the pair of them. However, the depths of my memory only goes so far but I did not know you thought kindly of her at any point. That was quite a surprise to me.

Roussette · 27/09/2023 07:06

LolaSmiles · 27/09/2023 06:38

This is why I see RED when posters try and say "but lots of us liked her until blah blah" (where were you back then then??? I never saw you pushing back alongside me and the lone voices. Never.)
Could it be that there were quite a lot of posters who weren't followers of royal activities and didn't post on the royal boards until the split happened?

Some of the threads were awful about MM, but I do also think that there's some posters who genuinely had an ambivalent to positive view of the Sussexes that changed over time.

Thank you. Yes. I know that to be the case.

There were so many middle of the road posters who thought Meghan was OK but it was completely impossible to post in that vein. They tried! The boards were so toxic they were chased off and I cannot tell you how many times I saw posts saying that. I think those posters then went one way or the other.... started disliking her or felt sorry for her.

Serenster · 27/09/2023 07:13

lately it's much more negative about the pair of them

Fair enough, but then lately I have thought their behaviour has been pretty poor, so that’s the inevitable consequence…

Roussette · 27/09/2023 07:15

Serenster · 27/09/2023 07:13

lately it's much more negative about the pair of them

Fair enough, but then lately I have thought their behaviour has been pretty poor, so that’s the inevitable consequence…

I can't profess to understand given they are pretty quiet at the mo and Meghan really hasn't done anything .... but I'm not sure what timescale you mean !

Serenster · 27/09/2023 07:23

I was thinking the last year really - since The Cut article came out just before QEII died.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 27/09/2023 07:57

Morestrangerthings1 · 27/09/2023 01:38

Because racism plays a part in the media and in social media in the attacks on Meghan Markle it has to be discussed. We can’t ignore one of the driving forces for these attacks. (I’m not saying everyone who finds fault with Meghan Markle is racist. But it is a factor much of the time.)

To ask that this be a place free from discussions about racism is quite like asking that this place be free from discussions of class and misogyny and sexism. (What exactly would be the point of mumsnet then?)

When we are discussing the Royal Family, all three - classism, racism and sexism - are very much part of the conversation. Even if we believe there are no racists in the RF, we can’t look past (1) the historical participation in slavery which allowed one race to subjugate and own another, and the ways in which present day RF members still benefit from it (2) the current RF members who are shying away from discussions about it.

Excellent points.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 27/09/2023 08:11

What gives it away for me @Roussette is that posters who claim to have liked her but have now "gone off her" never fully acknowledge all the issues around how Meghan was dehumanised and othered, or the racist and xenophobic coverage she was subjected to, and how these attitudes reflect attitudes in the UK.

The discussion of the legal cases, and the press threads we have had, troubled me because of the refusal to accept that there is anything at all wrong in how the press covered Meghan in particular, and the whole "others took it, why can't she" line without any attempt understand that the tabloid culture in the UK sets up hate figures, is intrusive, violates privacy, and is racist.

Harry was even slammed for "moaning" about being hacked. While William was praised for settling his hacking case with Murdoch.

It has recently come to light that the Daily Mail uses "black fishing". Pieces that would be considered racist if written by white people are repurposed and published under the bylines of black commentators. In the cases investigated by two publications, Private Eye and the Voice, three of the authors were conservative white men over 60, and the "authors" were mainly younger black women. Some of these hit pieces included commentary about Meghan.

If there was even the tiniest bit of balance, these threads would be completely different.

Still plan to do my new press thread, hope you saw Rory Stewart on Amanpour talking about the pernicious influence that Murdoch and his papers have had on UK politics. That the Royal Family colludes with these people, out of fear or whatever it is, and that they throw each other to these harpies is a scandal that I hope in time will come to be seen more objectively. The tabloids are a cancer, and that the Royal Family and their aides have decided to get into bed with them is something that will forever diminish them.

Harry and Meghan will always have my support for taking them on.

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