Harry loses HRH title

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Harry's 'HRH' has reportedly been removed from his listing on the RF website. Seems about time, really? Odd that Meghan's wasn't removed too, perhaps an oversight? Or are they making the changes gradually in the hope that no-one will notice...

Sometime in the coming years I'm sure the RF will be removing the duke and duchess titles. As Charles and William reform and slim down the monarchy they can reduce the titles all round and make it seem part of the natural order of things rather than a punishment. It's clear they see the couple merching the titles, but are not prepared to act in anger.

I don't think they'll remove any of the Royal Dukedoms (which of course become non-royal after two generations)

But I do think it's likely that only the heir will get a dukedom as a wedding present. Younger siblings might get an Earldom instead (to avoid the Princess Michael, Princess William, Princess Harry snare) on the Wessex model, with the DC voluntarily using the titles of the DC of an Earl, not HRH Prince/ss (parents' choice until 18, then individual's choice, unless there were new LPs to remove the choice and formally restrict HRH Prince/ss to eldest's DC only)

And at some point they'll need to think about what to do about titles for girls. Princess Margaret's husband ennobled, Princess Anne's not - that was a matter for the monarch and the woman marrying, and the DC in neither case were HRH. But if George's eldest is a girl, and HRH's are to go down the direct succession line then idc there may need to be a change.

Dukedoms should be live long. Not passed on. Sisters treated the same as brothers. Only the heirs children should be Princess or Princess. Other grandchildren or neices and nephews of a monarch should either be Lord or Lady or no titles.

@EdithWeston that’s an interesting theory, makes a lot of sense. Would you mind explaining the royal dukedom being non royal in two generations? How does that work?

I agree with you but I think the Wales family need to stop all flying on the same flights! I think the Queen was said to have told William off for that in the past.

@Gilmorehill Bloody hell yes to this!!

Too right @Gilmorehill , not too thrilled about William helicoptering them everywhere either. I mean, I’m sure he’s an excellent pilot but those things are terrifying, they defy physics!

I witnessed a helicopter accident… absolutely never ever going anywhere near one!! William stay away.

In modern times, the 'royalness' continues for 2 generations from the monarch - so the children and the grandchildren of a monarch in the male line can be styled HRH Prince/ss. Thiss is set out in Letters Patent. (Though those entitled can choose, when of age or by parents for minors, not to use them - like the Edinburghs/Wessexes).

So to take the example of the Kents (going back a bit to get enough generations). The Dukedom had existed before, becoming extinct because of no male issue. It was recreated in 1934 for Prince George, fourth son of George V. He died in 1942, and his eldest son HRH Prince Edward - a grandson of the monarch in the male line - became the next HRH the Duke of Kent (his siblings being Princess Alexandra and Prince Michael of Kent). He is still living (age 88) and still holds patronages and still does some duties (mainly military and masonic).

The eldest son (ie the third generation, great-grandson of a monarch) is not HRH Prince. He uses a subsidiary title of his father and is the Earl of St Andrews. When he inherits the dukedom, it will cease to be royal, and he will be (in the same pattern as all the other non-royal dukedoms) His Grace the Duke of Kent

Thank you @EdithWeston , I’m adding to my royal knowledge all the time on these threads!

And just to add a bit more info:

The Letters Patent which set out that it's two generations (children of the monarch and grandsons in the male line) are the same ones which meant that the Sussex DC did not become Prince and Princess until Charles became King. Before that, they were great grand-children of a monarch and therefore not entitled.

The only provision in those LP for great-grandchildren was for the oldest son of of the oldest son of the heir, who would be HRH Prince. That made sense when they were drawn up, as the succession still ran on male primogeniture, so it went one generation further in the direct line.

But, male primogeniture was changed, to simple primogeniture, and if George had been Georgina and Charlotte had been Charles, then there would have been the nonsense that the siblings would have been Lady Georgina Mountbatten-Windsor (the heir in the direct line) with a younger brother HRH Prince Charles (the "spare"). So new LPs were issued for the (then) Cambridge DC - before any of them were born - making all of them HRH Prince/ss, so it wouldn't matter which sex came first (and also giving all siblings the same royal style)

The change was made only for the great-grandchildren in the direct line. Other great-grandchildren do not get them at all. Prince Harry's DC became entitled when the Queen died and their grandfather became king.

Not as recent, but the LPs of 1917 did cause Prince Alastair of Connaught to lose his title of Prince (although he was His Highness rather than His Royal Highness) because he was the great-grandson of a sovereign (which was allowed before the new LPs), not a grandson, and he thus became the Earl of MacDuff, a subsidiary title of his mother, who was a duchess in her own right.

Thank you for that additional info, @SenecaFallsRedux

I have read the LP @EdithWeston but I was focused at the time on a different and specific thing, it’s interesting to see what it contained in the round.

He’s just totally deluded. What are all these charities he spends his life supporting and what does he actually personally do? Apart from Invictus and Sentabale ? I’m but sure how much he actually does for them anyway.

@Pancakebatter He plays polo to support Sentable.. raises lots of dosh, but hard work?

I sometimes feel a bit sorry for Prince Seeiso.

The co-founder (with Harry) of Sentebale, he seems to get just airbrushed out.

Did anyone see the rather odd photo of Megan wearing a winter camel coat in August in California along with those hippy dippy patches that are meant to reduce stress.
All seems a bid odd to me.

@Crazycrazylady They're like acupressure bracelets. You press them and they relieve stress (supposedly). Poor Meghan is obviously dealing with a lot of stress in her life currently it appears.

I did think it odd she arranged this pap shoot when her DH was supposed to be centre stage in Japan, but I don't think she can help herself.

And yep, more camel which the RF forced her to wear. Maybe it's cooler there than we think?

Well, I saw a video titled ‘Meghan Markle Walks Down Some Stairs in Santa Barbara’ and there was a video of Meghan. She started at the top of the stairs and did indeed walk down them and got to the bottom - just as the video ended.

This is what the media are reduced to. It’s getting really absurd now.

Totally agree. Absurd.

did you see that her coat sleeve was turned back on that one arm? Somewhere they suggested it was a product placement and that seems feasible given the costume she was wearing.

(I absolutely love the look, though.)

It’s a good thing though isn’t it, that the media is now posting boring, non event videos? Because people will soon lose interest, and the Sussexes will stop being the focus of negative attention. If they had been willing to play the long game this is how it would eventually have played out anyway.

Absolutely correct. Just a non story and waning interest. Even I'm bored with their tactics. Bring on the day when their lies simply wash over me.

I guess. But this ain’t media. It’s seems like a paid advertisement. Most people will never even see it. Just folks like us.

Ain’t was autocorrect. Which is an entirely different thread! I left it in though.