Harry loses HRH title

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Harry's 'HRH' has reportedly been removed from his listing on the RF website. Seems about time, really? Odd that Meghan's wasn't removed too, perhaps an oversight? Or are they making the changes gradually in the hope that no-one will notice...

@Iwantcakeeveryday that is an interesting question. if as posters are keen to state one early every thread, they are not royals and should not use their titles. why are the threads in the rf topic. its an odd one. there used to be celeb topic don't know if that still exists, but maybe mn needs something like that.

Going back a bit I think there was a bit of unrest at H&M threads being started in AIBU and Chat (and dominating Active?) which is why they are now mostly in RF.

Might be wrong though.

I know they were given official roles in the CW but can't remember what.

They were President and Vice President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust charity which went on to endorse BetterUp and which also spent nearly all of its 2020/2021 income on staff costs.

Website of Queen’s charity promotes Prince Harry’s US coaching firm | Prince Harry | The Guardian

Agree… they sell papers. More so Kate & Meghan. It’s not necessarily a bad thing but it does depend on their general popularity at the time.

Harry and Meghan threads are in the RF topic because Harry is a blood royal prince and he and Meghan have royal titles bestowed on them by the late queen. Add to this the couple giving their children royal titles and where else would they be discussed?

I'm all in favour of the duke and duchess titles being removed because they are no longer working royals, they are using them to earn money and influence and Meghan has used them for political ends.

Add to this the despicable way they trashed the royal family for money while clinging to the titles they received from a family so vile and racist they made meghans life a misery, and the hypocrisy is off the scale. I just don't understand their reasoning around anything to do with the titles. The ones they said they would relinquish as they no longer worked for the RF.

I don’t really care whether he keeps his titles or not to be honest, they were a gift from the Queen not the state or the taxpayer. My issue is more around him remaining in the line of succession. There is no point him being an understudy when his actions mean it would now be impossible for him to step in and play the lead role… yet he still gets all the privileges (and to him, also the downsides such as scrutiny) that a potential stand-in gets. What’s the point treating him as if he’s still a spare, when he effectively no longer could be?

Be cause that's the way the line of succession goes im.not a royalist at all.but if you are you have to accept the line of succession people can ,t just be ousted, because some posters dislike them.
If it were a popularity contest I remember a time when Charles would have been ousted and Andrew was very popular when he was a dashing war hero and looks what happened there .

I agree @PrincessTigger but the process of removing him from the line of succession would be changing a thousand year tradition and completely rewriting the rules. If you do this type of thing you may just end up with elected royals

I don’t agree, plenty of people throughout history have been “removed” from the line of succession, often in quite violent ways! Monarchs have been exiled before. Monarchs have been usurped for political or religious or just power-hungry reasons. And yet the monarchy has survived even though the line has not been straight it’s been wibbly wobbly. Democratically removing people who could not do the job seems like a more upfront and honest way of doing it. Harry becoming King would trigger an immediate constitutional crisis, and probably end the monarchy all by itself. Plus, knowing you can be bumped off (metaphorically these days 😂) the list might even encourage some better behaviour from the RF!

Which privileges associated specifically with being in the line of succession does he still enjoy?

I'm all in favour of the duke and duchess titles being removed because they are no longer working royals, they are using them to earn money and influence and Meghan has used them for political ends.

This is rubbish. Lots of people, myself included, are political without having political aspirations. Their titles specifically don't earn them money. The Netflix series just called them Harry and Meghan. They are no different to any other non-working titled royal. Even Fergie still uses Duchess, actually directly in her podcast, and she's divorced!

I would believe people nitpicking about titles if they started and engaged in as many threads and posts about Fergie and others, as they do about Harry and Meghan. Its really just about finding anything you can to continue to trash them for exposing the realities of the British royal institution and pushing back against the way they've been treated. If they gave up the titles you'd find something else just so you can have an excuse to talk about them. The actual existing taxpayer funded royals must be slacking because nobody here is starting threads about anything they're doing. So much for them bringing attention to important charities!

The Queen took HRH titles away 3 years ago. It was an oversight Harry's wasn't changed at the same time as Megan's. The King was still listed as Prince of Wales and Queen Camilla as Duchess of Cornwall and Prince William and Kate as Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. They just don't update it very often.

The HRHs weren't removed. They were put into a kind of abeyance - agreement that they would not be used.

The only times HRHs have been removed recently were for Diana and Sarah on divorce, and of course Edward VIII's HM reverted to HRH after the abdication, but was never extended to his wife

(Awaits posters who know about less modern examples!)

This Japan jaunt needs some forensic accountant light shining on it.

Separately, the weird photo of him and Nacho pal posing like jocks is quite cringe.

Good post.

Getting rid of their titles is a pointless obsession, it's not like we suddenly wouldn't know who they are! Or that Harry wouldn't still be the king of England's son. Or that the media will suddenly forget all about them. If they lost their Dukedom they would still be Prince and Princess and I bet people would like that even less. The obsession will never end!

Get rid of Andrew's first before anyone else's. Anyone with a sniff of criminality should be the first to go, in my opinion. And get rid of anyone else clinging onto titles that they shouldn't, like that Lady Colin woman, who has been divorced from the family since 1975. Merching off her title and tenuous 'connection' to the RF. She's not a working royal, nor are many others who hold titles still.

@PrincessTigger Until I saw Harry and Meghan trashing the royal family on Oprah, I really didn't give much thought or interest to the royal family! Funny how seeing people being attacked for ridiculous reasons made me actually support them. Underdog syndrome I suppose. If Harry (and therefore Meghan) became king and consort, I would be the first to stand there with my 'not my king' banner 🤣🤣🤣

Meghan not using her title for political influence? Why is she writing to congressmen and women about various political issues on notepaper headed duke and Duchess of Sussex? Why does she insist she is referred to as Duchess of Sussex? Harry ditto. Of course they are merchandising the titles. Of course they are better known because of them. Why name their children (who they professed were going to be brought up like regular kids), prince and princess?

They live in America, who fought a war to rid themselves of royalty, yet they keep the titles in their chosen home country. It just shows hypocrisy and lack of any honour that they criticise the family that gave them the titles while continuing to make money from them. It makes zero sense.

Yes so many questions that need to be asked. What about the charity money that went to Travalyst. What about the poor workplace practices at BetterUp while Harry takes a 7 figure sum for doing nothing. Aka 'the squeeze is not worth the juice'! 1 hours work for Archwell per week, only a relatively small amount going to charity, associating with Christopher Bouzy and his seriously flawed business practices. So many questionable people they deal with and so many questionable businesses.

@ILikeDinosaurs well said

Yes so many questions that need to be asked.

Like… why?

I think the titles and line of succession are a bit of a red herring.

There’s no way Harry and his family will be removed from the line of succession. It would be a pointless exercise, there are enough Waleses now not to have to worry about any of Harry’s line ending up in the Top Job..

The titles are neither here nor there, they don’t carry any special privileges. Archie and Lilibet will be the last prince and princess down that line so again that issue will resolve itself. Note that there are no public birthday wishes extended to them any more, they have been well and truly annexed.

The press have less and less to print about them, interest is very much on the wane.

Harry’s statement about his life always having being charity was rather grandiose and fanciful, but if that’s the way he wants to go in the future, and if he can find enough rich people willing to pour money in his causes and subsidise his luxurious lifestyle, long may he succeed.

Many royal family critics believe the royal family do nothing except turn up where they're told, shake a few hands and cut a ribbon and everyone else does all the work. Whether this is true or not is arguable, but if Harry thinks that's all he has to do in the real world, he's in for a rude awakening. For him to be involved in real charitable work relying on himself and not his title, he'll need to put far more effort than he appears to at BetterUp and Archwell. The RF model just won't work any more for him.

As for BetterUp offering free MH training for veterans at Invictus, apparently the business model is give free training then slip in a very expensive and binding membership deal. Bit like most big companies. An employee wrote about a woman who lost everything and committed suicide because BetterUp pursued her endlessly for payment. I don't know any more of this story or the circumstances but it's on a review by employees, so no reason to doubt it.

Divine right was abolished in Britain in 1688.

It's been Parliament ever since then who decides which titles are in the gift of the monarch, and which they regulate. A dukedom can only be removed by Parliament