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Nono22972 · 31/07/2023 17:06

No disrespect to her but people and the media often talk about her sense of duty, her stability and professionalism but what would would say are some of the things in her last 15-20 years on the throne that you would criticise her for?

My obvious response is how she handled the Prince Andrew situation and staying on the throne as long as she did. She should've abdicated 10 or 20 years before her death, in my opinion

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SallyWD · 14/08/2023 10:02

Roussette · 14/08/2023 08:50

No, it was peculiar to Andrew. All other members of the RF didn't bow and kiss her hand every time they entered a room the Queen was in.
That's what was said anyway

I don't about kissing the hand but I've heard many times they would all bow/curtsey.

Ohpleeeease · 14/08/2023 10:22

Well I’m not going to argue with you Roussette, you read it, I didn’t. And I know your dislike of Andrew is visceral, and I’m not arguing about that either, I don’t think many would. But to me this issue of how he greeted his mother is in the same league as some of the daft criticisms levelled at MM which you’d be quick to respond to.

All I’m saying is that we can all feel exasperated with a public figure and express ourselves unreasonably out of personal dislike. Goose, gander etc.

Roussette · 14/08/2023 10:28

Ohpleeeease · 14/08/2023 10:22

Well I’m not going to argue with you Roussette, you read it, I didn’t. And I know your dislike of Andrew is visceral, and I’m not arguing about that either, I don’t think many would. But to me this issue of how he greeted his mother is in the same league as some of the daft criticisms levelled at MM which you’d be quick to respond to.

All I’m saying is that we can all feel exasperated with a public figure and express ourselves unreasonably out of personal dislike. Goose, gander etc.

Why are you reducing this to arguing and me being unreasonable? 😮

I'm only saying what I read in more than one place about how Andrew was OTT greeting his mother.

No argument from me. Just opinion on a discussion forum with me saying I agreed with what I read.

PrincessTigger · 14/08/2023 11:00

Roussette · 14/08/2023 08:50

No, it was peculiar to Andrew. All other members of the RF didn't bow and kiss her hand every time they entered a room the Queen was in.
That's what was said anyway

I find it really creepy! What a suck up. And apparently treats staff badly too.

Novella4 · 14/08/2023 12:51

@BadgerB

”So pleased it failed him at last. He was always due for trouble when Charles (who disliked him) inherited, but it came in the Queen's lifetime.”

But it DIDNT fail him . Elizabeth Windsor harboured Andrew and made sure US authorities couldn’t get near him .

When it looked like this protection wasnt going to work for much longer , she paid out millions ( millions which were unearned - all taken from the taxpayer , their wealth had ballooned in recent decades, esp since the civil list was scrapped ) to make it all go away .

The Windsors operate like a crime syndicate .They are outside the law and protect their members regardless of any crime .

Call them out and you are a target .

Charles has waffled about moving Andrew out of his tax payer protected home but of course that was crumbs for those desperate to keep believing in this rotten facade.
Nothing will happen to Andrew . Many of their family and friends have been shown to be sex offenders . Have sex with trafficked underaged girls? ‘Royals ‘ don’t care about that !

BadgerB · 14/08/2023 13:02

Novella4 · Today 12:51
@BadgerB

”So pleased it failed him at last. He was always due for trouble when Charles (who disliked him) inherited, but it came in the Queen's lifetime.”

But it DIDNT fail him . Elizabeth Windsor harboured Andrew and made sure US authorities couldn’t get near him .

She didn't "harbour" him. They took legal advice, which, apparently, was that he wouldn't get a fair trial in the U.S. being a high profile foreign Prince, and he had far better settle (while still denying guilt) and hope the hype died down. It hasn't, of course, nor was it ever likely too.

Would V.G. have withdrawn the accusation if Andrew had stood firm, as at least one other of her accused men did? Who knows.

polkadotdalmation · 14/08/2023 13:11

The level of hatred for the royal family in the media, particularly the internet, is quite disturbing and almost rabid. Yet these same people will defend Meghan and harry despite them being members of that family Admittedly they have left the family's sphere of influence, yet they still use the titles they were given in expectation of serving the monarch and the country. Even to the point of naming their children prince and princess, something princess Anne who is old school, didn't do. It doesn't make sense.

Novella4 · 14/08/2023 13:26

Scrambling again for a tit for tat - yes I see you trying to equate Harry leaving the Firm as equal to Andrew and his friendship with Epstein - and the rest btw, Andrew is just so stupid that he made his own situation worse
There is all the rest still being covered up and deflected from

The world saw Elizabeth Windsor harbour Andrew .
The world knows that if he was Joe Bloggs a finger wouldn’t have been lifted .
So much for ‘duty’ and medals and ribbons all the rest they adorn themselves with .
Disgusting greedy family
And so much for being ‘representatives of the UK ‘ and “soft power” .
The people of the UK deserve better than this

CathyorClaire · 14/08/2023 13:33

She didn't "harbour" him.

He was allowed to play hide and seek round royal residences for weeks while US lawyers tried to serve him with legal papers.

Roussette · 14/08/2023 14:01

CathyorClaire · 14/08/2023 13:33

She didn't "harbour" him.

He was allowed to play hide and seek round royal residences for weeks while US lawyers tried to serve him with legal papers.

Yes, that was when he was dodging between palaces with three PPOs in the car with him, and topped and tailed with more PPOs in Range Rovers all to ensure he wasn't served with any papers.

And that was when MN threads on him were busiest because it was a laughable but disgusting situation

What H&M have got to do with that spectacle as it unfolded, god alone knows 👀😮🙄

LadyEloise1 · 14/08/2023 15:20

Why have the other very high profile US citizens who were friends with Epstein not been investigated ?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/08/2023 15:49

FWIW @Novella$ I'm pretty sure it was claimed at the time that the late Queen was paying Andrew's settlement costs with her own private money

And for all I know some might actually believe this ...

BadgerB · 14/08/2023 16:01

LadyEloise1 · Today 15:20
Why have the other very high profile US citizens who were friends with Epstein not been investigated ?

Possibly because they ARE U.S. citizens who know how to work the system better than the British RF did? A quiet pay-off if she promised to shut up.

One refused to "play the game" I believe, and VG said she "must have been mistaken" in his case.

Certainly the RF handled it badly. Andrew is not the only guilty man but he is the only one who is stained by it for ever. No loss to the RF though - he was a useless conceited oaf whom Charles must be quite happy to sideline.

Ohpleeeease · 14/08/2023 16:13

Roussette · 14/08/2023 10:28

Why are you reducing this to arguing and me being unreasonable? 😮

I'm only saying what I read in more than one place about how Andrew was OTT greeting his mother.

No argument from me. Just opinion on a discussion forum with me saying I agreed with what I read.

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I’m very sorry, @Roussette, that wasn’t my intention at all, obviously I’m not communicating well today! I’ll try again.

I take your word for it re Andrew. Not arguing at all.

Some of the comments you take issue with about MM are, to me, in the same league. Things that other people have reported that can’t be proved.

That’s it really. But I really didn’t mean anything snippy by it so I hope this makes that clear.

jeffgoldblum · 14/08/2023 16:27

LadyEloise1 · 14/08/2023 15:20

Why have the other very high profile US citizens who were friends with Epstein not been investigated ?

A very good question, I asked this myself at the time but no answers.

Roussette · 14/08/2023 16:30

Ohpleeeease · 14/08/2023 16:13

I’m very sorry, @Roussette, that wasn’t my intention at all, obviously I’m not communicating well today! I’ll try again.

I take your word for it re Andrew. Not arguing at all.

Some of the comments you take issue with about MM are, to me, in the same league. Things that other people have reported that can’t be proved.

That’s it really. But I really didn’t mean anything snippy by it so I hope this makes that clear.

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Thank you for being so nice. I was probably snippy too!

No problems at all 👍😊

Roussette · 14/08/2023 16:31

jeffgoldblum · 14/08/2023 16:27

A very good question, I asked this myself at the time but no answers.

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Let me know if you find answers. No one on MN can answer that 😁

AliceOlive · 14/08/2023 16:32

Was it ever confirmed that Andrew was under investigation? NYTimes Article regarding the settlement of the civil case:

"A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on Tuesday when asked whether Andrew was under investigation by the office."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-settlement.html

PrincessTigger · 14/08/2023 16:32

Roussette · 14/08/2023 16:31

Let me know if you find answers. No one on MN can answer that 😁

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The super wealthy know how to cover their behinds and is it mean to say that among them Andrew is probably uniquely stupid which is why he got caught

Roussette · 14/08/2023 16:41

PrincessTigger · 14/08/2023 16:32

The super wealthy know how to cover their behinds and is it mean to say that among them Andrew is probably uniquely stupid which is why he got caught

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Stupid, very very arrogant and believing to be above any legal matters implicating him.
He won't be playing golf at his beloved American golf clubs any time soon

onlylarkin · 14/08/2023 16:55

I can't see the article, pay wall. IIRC, he wasn't under investigation, they just wanted to question him? A judge in a civil case can subpoena witnesses. The suit VG filed was a civil one, not a criminal one. So no police involvement.

As for other US parties involved, who knows why VG didn't name them in any civil suit. Maybe they settled out of court. I believe that only Epstein and VG were charged criminally.

I am sure if I am wrong, someone will be by to point it out. I feel like there is a lot missing about what happened that we will never see.

Ohpleeeease · 14/08/2023 17:19

I feel like there is a lot missing about what happened that we will never see.

It’s a horrible mess, that’s for sure. I don’t know what kind of life he can live from now on. The scrutiny may eventually go away but it will take years and years. Can he even leave the country?

AliceOlive · 14/08/2023 17:19

Sorry, your are right re paywall.

US Prosecutor wanted to interview PA, to assist with a trafficking case, and he would only agree to provide written information. He was not under investigation at that time. The prosecutor was poking PA, but had no ability to compel him to do anything.