Harry and Megan dubbed "fucking grifters" Part Deux

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The old thread got closed, just as I was trying to quote tweet someone! So I've started this one, because this shitshow is still rumbling on

And those are exactly the people that Harry could bring attention to. Like it or not, he has a profile and public interest to leverage. It would be great if he used that for good, not constant complaining.

The thing is, if this is what he wanted to do, he had a much better platform to do so when he was royal.

Netflix is a business, and a business in some financial difficulty right now. They're not going to commission programming for charitable purposes unless they feel it will draw a large audience. I'm not sure that a documentary about conservation in Botwana would.

Not to mention that Harry has willfully sabotaged his own reputation over the past three years, so any such documentary would be viewed with much more cynicism than during his royal days.

And those are exactly the people that Harry could bring attention to

And those type of people don't need him. People in African countries have enough of their own problems without bringing the misanthropic media attention (becaue that's what it would be) which would follow Harry. He needs to either stay where he is or return to the UK.

I agree with you both @IcedPurple and @skullbabe

It's just so sad. H&M could have done so much good in the RF.

Is he still involved with Sentebale?

Not yer caught up with the full thread - but agreeing with this.

I had the same thought when I first read of the idea. He doesn't have a background in conservation really, so it's a fine line tread if it doesn't want to fall into White Saviour territory.

And it depends on the structure of the documentary. Netflix's recent foray went down like a lead balloon with "Cleopatra". So the topic and style need to be well thought out.

Potential to be very interesting though - good luck to him if it's genuinely what he finds enjoyable and fulfilling.

I was hoping he’d go for something more about nature and not necessarily trying to proselytize to nor save anyone.

So we're all floundering about what Harry can actually attach himself to/do with any authenticity. And that's the problem, isn't it? When he arrived to the USA fresh out of the RF, still with that sheen, he got signed up to some tech company as a pretendy officer of something. But there's nothing there, is there? No follow through. Just hypocrisy as he plays polo where massive pitches use precious water to keep green, and ponies are literally flown around the world in private jets.

And what does Meghan have? Haranguing society about women's rights or racism doesn't seem to have taken off for her.

I agree I think they fundamentally have an authenticity problem. The only thing that feels authentic is the rage against the media and the RF but this isn't gaining them any fans.

Agreed. But none of this would be an issue, if they hadn't decided that they deserved to earn millions.

They're not even raging against the RF as a bastion of hierarchy and privilege. They were happy to be part of that, but on their terms. They didn't get what they wanted or somehow perceived the structure to be discriminatory against them personally. That just leaves the press, really.

Yes, it seems they only hated the RF once they weren't allowed to be in it any more. And as you say, they're not even arguing against the whole structure. And their children have titles... unlike Princess Anne's children.

That is their core problem, yes.

Take away what you call the 'sheen' of royalty and it's obvious that neither of them is very interesting or marketable. Their only 'product' is whining about how horrid the royals are, but that's a product with a sell by date. Without that, it doesn't seem that they have a whole lot to offer.

When you used to see him interacting with children and veterans it seemed very authentic, I don’t know if he could do the same thing now. The magic might have gone a bit.

He does, I am really don't like the current demonising of them both and everything they do, they are human beings. If I read this stuff about me, I would be devastated. They have made mistakes for sure but they are not monsters.

I worry that this constant attack could lead to tragic circumstances and their will be a collective step back and realisation of what such a pile on leads to. But by then it will be too late.

They deserve some criticism but not annihilation. Balance and perspective is needed. They seem to have gone quiet and this may be the moment that the coverage should go quiet too.

I really don't think that this thread is demonising them. We are looking at the damage they have done to their reputations, to their 'brand', and trying to figure out what they do now.

They wanted to earn millions of $ by signing up to publishing companies liked Spotify and Netflix, which was always going to invite some comment.

Had they chosen to be more private or less entitled, there would be less comment.

I so appreciate your post, thank you.

How long can this demonising go on? Forever I think. It is a habit to look for ways to criticise them, a mad habit.

It doesn't matter if they are quiet, the media fills into these threads. I find it very depressing and I have seen so much speculation of the demise of them in all sorts of ways ...whether that be the end of the marriage and who Meghan will marry next, the end of Harry in a hotel room in a few years time or, at best, they do something to provide more fodder for threads

A lot of these threads are based on what the media is reporting, not what they're saying and it just spirals out of control whatever they do , or not do.

Nobody is being 'annihilated'. They receive just criticism. It was only a couple of weeks ago we had the 'almost catastrophic' non car chase.

He has been quiet in the last couple of weeks so we can but hope he's realised his victim playing hasn't won him any fans.

The thread on Williams housing initiative has some really vitriolic nasty posts. So much so that while I started reading the thread I've come away from it. I don't think Harry is being treated any differently than William (except that William is just keeping his head down and trying to get on with the day job while a complete shit storm swirls around him while Harry is publicly attacking his family while desperately hanging onto the Titles and money he's inherited for just being him).

H&M have entered Hollywood - not a fuzzy cosy place. I'm afraid the old 'swim with the sharks' applies to them. Currently the publicity about them is very negative as they are being accused of being what Americans can't stand - lazy.

Yes, compared to what people are posting on the thread about William's homelessness initiative (very often the same posters who criticise those of us questioning Harry's behaviour), this thread is positively benign!

The after dinner speaking circuit is back I bet they can make millions doing that

Harold managed to score a relatively paltry £750K selling his even then threadbare Diana sob story to a bunch of gullible bankers immediately before Covid scuppered his grandiose plans to skim the credulous of millions.

The plan was barely sustainable in 2020. Following the various bare-alls since it's now holed below the water before it's even left harbour.

For the after dinner speakers people are looking for someone who's either funny or motivation, someone who's successful who can draw on that experience.

Not heard many but one that standsout is Judy Murray (Andys mum) spoke about how she became a tennis coach, recognising her limits, when Andy needed better coaching both in tennis and how to do interviews put himself across on tv. Recognising Jamie was talanted but not good enough to make it to the top in singles - hence he opted for doubles. Simple team building with girls tennis team - including board games - rather than them faffing in hotel rooms alone.

What would Harry actually talk about?

I don't think Harry got anything like that sort of money for a speech. That's the sort of fee only the likes of Clinton or Obama could command. Bankers don't care about Diana, and they're usually the opposite of gullible.

I think it was one of those 'rumours' his publicist put out there to give the impression that Harry was drawing that sort of money. Subsequent events, or lack thereof, would suggest that he is not.

I have quite a strong negative reaction to Harry using 'Africa' as a backdrop to his redemption. Community development is about building long term relationships, dealing with complexity and being led by locals. Not coming in and high fiving kids for a few weeks.

I really don’t think Harry would need to have anything particularly interesting to say: he can just do the classic California “stand intentionally in your knowing, breathe in grace and exhale toxicity, know your presence, exist meaningfully, eat pray love” and that’s a few hundred thousand in the bank. People will want to meet a prince I think, he doesn’t have to come up with something Churchillian.