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The Prince and the Press: Continuing the Discussion on Prince Harry and the UK Media

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/06/2023 10:12

A few weeks ago, there were three really great long running threads about Prince Harry and his battles against the UK "popular press."

I thought I would do one that looks at Harry's current court action.

For those interested in the kind of balanced view you won't get from the tabloids, all of whom face conflicts of interest, here is the Guardian take, which is the springboard for this discussion.

It is not possible to take any of the tabloids seriously when they report on Harry's legal cases. Former editor Alan Rusbridger, now of Prospect, has observed that all tabloids covering this story are acting unethically as they have not declared their conflicts of interest: Harry is suing all of their media houses.

The only papers with no conflict of interest are the Guardian, the Telegraph and the Financial Times.

So I will be following this from the Guardian live page.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/diana-meghan-and-the-tabloid-press-harry-finally-gets-his-day-in-court

Diana, Meghan and the tabloid press: Harry finally gets his day in court

The Duke of Sussex has made it his life’s work to change the British media landscape. He’ll get his chance this week in the phone hacking case against the Mirror Group

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/diana-meghan-and-the-tabloid-press-harry-finally-gets-his-day-in-court

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AlexandriasWindmill · 10/06/2023 00:10

The tracker wasn't just on CD's car. There was also one on a car belonging to a friend of PH and CD. It's damning evidence if they have a contemporaneous report to support it. No wonder MGN are trying to discredit it with outlandish theories. Any decent person would be appalled at a newspaper putting trackers on private cars.

MayQueeen · 10/06/2023 00:18

Yes they would - any appalled decent person would surely have alerted the authorities straight away, and so that evidence must have been submitted to this trial

StarbucksSmarterSister · 10/06/2023 00:36

AmarilloSunser · 09/06/2023 22:20

Surely Chelsey would have told to sweep underneath her car with a mirror every time to check for devices?

we were told to do this due to exHs job at the time. Thought it was pretty standard.

Perhaps that's why it was found?

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Roussette · 12/06/2023 12:07

Nikki Sanderson still giving testimony, from what I read she is holding her own really well, despite the defence barrister trivialising what she went through.

skullbabe · 12/06/2023 12:39

Do you have the feed for the trial now?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/06/2023 12:43

Thanks @Roussette I can have a catch up, I hope she is ok, it can't be easy doing this.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/06/2023 12:52

Andrew Green KC, representing MGN, points out she did many interviews with press.
But Ms Sanderson interjects: "I'm not public property, I'm not a commodity, I'm not an object, I'm still a human.
"Just because I consented to an interview or a photoshoot in the past, it doesn't mean any illegal activity is okay.

Yes! This is the point around privacy, just because you do an interview, does not mean you lose the right to decide which parts of your life you share with the world or that they can commit illegal acts to obtain other information on you.

Roussette · 12/06/2023 13:02

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/06/2023 12:52

Andrew Green KC, representing MGN, points out she did many interviews with press.
But Ms Sanderson interjects: "I'm not public property, I'm not a commodity, I'm not an object, I'm still a human.
"Just because I consented to an interview or a photoshoot in the past, it doesn't mean any illegal activity is okay.

Yes! This is the point around privacy, just because you do an interview, does not mean you lose the right to decide which parts of your life you share with the world or that they can commit illegal acts to obtain other information on you.

So agree @Iwantcakeeveryday and I've said this below many a time... in relation to Harry and privacy...

If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

AutumnCrow · 12/06/2023 13:03

I very much like the sound of Ms Sanderson. Of course saying yes once doesn't mean perpetual consent. But defence barristers love that argument - 'but you said yes on the 25th Feb 1995, how was Mr X possibly to know that you had decided to change your mind?'

Maireas · 12/06/2023 13:03

Exactly, and I'm glad that Nikki Sanderson is making that point clearly. She's not a commodity. She hasn't sold herself.

Roussette · 12/06/2023 13:07

What she is saying is so powerful.
In her witness statement, Nikki Sanderson says MGN's activities have "changed the way I am as a person".
"I'm not as trusting. I am more paranoid," she says.
She admits she can't be "fully private" in the job she does, but adds: "It has affected my relationships. Even my closest friends who I know would never say anything… I still have this fear it's going end up in the newspapers."
Ms Sanderson says that even up until last Friday, she suspected someone in her life was selling stories on her.
"Only when you showed me evidence he wasn't did I believe it," she says.

Anyone who has been subjected to, for instance, stalking which is the nearest thing I can liken it to for the general public... it makes you completely paranoid. I get what she is saying, it affects you.
She is very brave

Maireas · 12/06/2023 13:09

Poor woman. The thing is, it would really make you mistrustful of friends and family.
I do wonder if Harry's oft repeated claims that various people were briefing against him and telling stories about him comes from that mindset.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/06/2023 13:40

*If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.*

I have't heard to described like that before, its a great way of putting it!

AmarilloSunser · 12/06/2023 13:56

She is a very powerful witness.

tigger2022 · 12/06/2023 15:22

Roussette · 12/06/2023 13:02

So agree @Iwantcakeeveryday and I've said this below many a time... in relation to Harry and privacy...

If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

I don’t think the analogy works for PH in the same way though. In their case it’s like… if I enter your house without permission that’s not ok, if I’m invited in with your permission that’s ok, if you invite me into your estranged brother, dad, step-mum, and SIL’s houses without their permission or you tell me their kitchen is an ugly colour and they haven’t hoovered recently… that’s… ok?

skullbabe · 12/06/2023 15:26

Roussette · 12/06/2023 12:42

Hi @skullbabe

Yes.... here it is...
https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-trial-latest-updates-high-court-princess-diana-piers-morgan-mirror-william-12881275

But Ms Sanderson interjects: "I'm not public property, I'm not a commodity, I'm not an object, I'm still a human.
"Just because I consented to an interview or a photoshoot in the past, it doesn't mean any illegal activity is okay."

Thanks so much Rousette - will catch up now

skullbabe · 12/06/2023 16:46

I think Nikki really put into words just how crazy making it must be for people in the public eye - how she was driven to writing notes, checking and double checking that she's left nothing for the press, not being able to trust friends, family, colleagues..... Just a really terrible way to exist.

Maireas · 12/06/2023 17:03

That must be a terrible existence. It's funny how some people are targeted in this way, yet other celebrities live completely under the radar and manage to have completely private lives. I used to live next to a very glamorous tv star who went to the local shops, took her kids to school, travelled by tube, whatever - she didn't seem to be bothered at all.

Rhondaa · 12/06/2023 17:15

I've never heard of Nikki Sanderson <misses point of her case>.

Rhondaa · 12/06/2023 17:17

Roussette · 12/06/2023 13:02

So agree @Iwantcakeeveryday and I've said this below many a time... in relation to Harry and privacy...

If I burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

Yes agree with this privacy analogy. Harry is more complex though because he means but he will kick your door down and quote wtf he likes.

polkadotdalmation · 12/06/2023 17:45

Rhondaa · 12/06/2023 17:15

I've never heard of Nikki Sanderson <misses point of her case>.

Me neither. I don't watch soaps like I don't read tabloids!

Just wonder though if she has more convincing evidence than harry?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/06/2023 17:56

skullbabe · 12/06/2023 16:46

I think Nikki really put into words just how crazy making it must be for people in the public eye - how she was driven to writing notes, checking and double checking that she's left nothing for the press, not being able to trust friends, family, colleagues..... Just a really terrible way to exist.

Yes absolutely, awful way to live just because of the job you want to do.

Iwasafool · 12/06/2023 18:11

Maireas · 12/06/2023 17:03

That must be a terrible existence. It's funny how some people are targeted in this way, yet other celebrities live completely under the radar and manage to have completely private lives. I used to live next to a very glamorous tv star who went to the local shops, took her kids to school, travelled by tube, whatever - she didn't seem to be bothered at all.

I read once, don't know where, that Paul McCartney and his wife would do things like take the kids to Blackpool and people would tell him he looked like Paul McCartney but they didn't think it was him as he wasn't wearing dark glasses and a hat with security men behind him. I thought it was an interesting take on it.