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The sudden unusual turn on Princess Kate

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Whatt · 29/05/2023 07:56

Today, I wanted to share something thought-provoking that has caught my attention recently - a noticeable change in the way the media portrays Kate Middleton.

Some publications that previously showed favor towards Kate (DM cough, cough) have started publishing stories that present her in a more critical light. It's an interesting shift.

Firstly, there's a story circulating about an encounter between Kate and a convicted murderer at a charity event. Additionally, there's talk of the taxpayer potentially providing support for her family's struggling business. This raises questions about the circumstances surrounding their business venture and the implications it may have for public funds.

What's intriguing is the parallel being drawn between Kate's current media treatment and the scrutiny faced by Meghan Markle in the past. It's worth discussing whether there's a connection or simply a coincidence.

Furthermore, there's some buzz on Twitter suggesting that Kate may have unintentionally upstaged the King during the Chelsea Flower Show. While it may seem like harmless gossip, it's interesting to consider the impact of such events on the monarchy's reputation. Some even speculate that Camilla might have been involved in the leak of these stories, adding an extra layer to the intrigue.

Taking a step back, it's worth pondering whether the monarchy should be concerned about being upstaged in this day and age. Are we witnessing a shift in priorities and expectations?

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LadyEloise1 · 15/08/2023 10:33

I do not believe that all comments made on this thread are "....a hatchet job on them ( the Middletons ) in an attempt to throw shade on her (Kate).

I think we are allowed to comment.
The Middletons have gained considerably by their Royal association. They have to accept that there will be a downside to this - people will have an opinion.
I believe anybody who owes money to suppliers should pay it if they have the means to do so - if they can sell assets, downsize etc.

There was (economic) carnage here in Ireland post the 2008 economic crash.
The government changed the bankruptcy laws.
Many suffered.
There were suicides and marriage breakdowns.
People lost their homes and a homeless crisis continues yet our government supported unsecured bond holders.Sad
Many of those who left others in the lurch have now emerged phoenix like and are back in the game.
It might be legal but it's not morally right and it sickens me.

AliceOlive · 15/08/2023 10:46

Everyone has their own biases and motives for posting that become clear over time. Of course criticisms of extended family members will be seen in that light.

CathyorClaire · 15/08/2023 10:59

Unfortunately this isn't a discussion about Kates family, it's a hatchet job on them in an attempt to throw shade on her

The discussion is around people with close ties to two future heads of state and their actions and ethics.

There's nothing hatchety about discussing material that's long been in the public domain.

Nono22972 · 15/08/2023 11:12

https://twitter.com/HelsBells63/status/1679155633680007168?t=qZPHvBiqzE-xz3Sdj5hc1w&s=19

Interesting tweet I found about the media's bullying (let's call it what this is) of Kate and William, basically throwing them under the bus for not playing the media game. They probably expected Kate to brief to journalists like Diana used to back in the day. When that didn't happen, they were in their feelings and decided to "fight back".

This is why the Sussexes drama is a little funny too me.
For years during the early to mid 2010s, we heard stories directly from royal reporters that KP kept the media at arm's length while constantly propping Harry up, to the point where he became the 2nd most popular royal after the Queen.
It was Workshy Wills and Duchess Doolittle vs Good Prince Harry for years. You can even go back and find articles, royals watchers on most blogs and social media saying that William should step aside and take his family out if the LoS because Harry would make a better King.

Now, the Prince that they propped so much is the one going after them.

https://twitter.com/HelsBells63/status/1679155633680007168?s=19&t=qZPHvBiqzE-xz3Sdj5hc1w

HopeMumsnet · 15/08/2023 12:12

Hi,
Another Royals thread descends into personal backbiting. We will speak to the posters concerned and take action.
In addition, we need to point out that if MNHQ has not responded to a query it is not reasonable to assume that we are okay with what is going on. Please do wait for our response.

vera99 · 16/08/2023 11:42

RYGO · 05/08/2023 14:49

Family can turn against her all they want. She is very very popular. And in this day and age with social media she can fight back. She can open her own social media accounts and upload a story or video every day for a very long time. Or write a book or give interviews. You get the point. She has been with him for twenty years. Imagine what she knows. She could be their worst nightmare. And it isn't that they can ban her, she is the mother of the future king. So it isn't the same as in days gone by.

Tina Brown an arch monarchist says exactly that if Kate turned rogue then it would probably be the end of the House of Windsors. She also opined there were secrets that if revealed would also be the end. Tik tok ....

vera99 · 16/08/2023 11:51

pinkgrafittirat · 13/08/2023 20:28

The Middlestons sold their last house, which had substantial upgrades (which boosted the purchase price) paid for by the RF. For example the RF paid for their house to have a new driveway and some other work on the grounds that William used to stay there sometime and it was necessary for security, then the Middletons turned around and sold it. So the fact they accepted royal money wouldn't prevent them from selling it, as they have done so before.

Of course Will and Kate spend over a million pounds of taxpayer money having their driveway redone, and God knows how many millions of taxpayer money having their kitchen ripped out and re-done three times, and having their tennis court moved a few feet to the left. So they don't seem to regard that as a substantial cost.

It is very surprising that William hasn't offered to at least pay the debts to local small business. Obviously William isn't obligated to pay the Middlestons debts for them but seems strange to be happy to pay millions for a new driveway and new kitchens and stuff but not a couple of thousand (which is pocket change, especially considering William just inherited the vast Duchy fortune) to a small business who might be financially crippled by an unpaid bill. In the past the Middletons were always protected, especially over stuff like Pippa's gun scandal or James' failed business (especially the Nazi "scandal" which IMO was manufactured by the tabloids), but they're clearly not being protected any more.

For the gawpers amongst us...

https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/inside-bucklebury-manor-middletons-47m-25956721

Inside the Middleton's £4.7m Berkshire home where they host kitchen discos

The Princess of Wales' parents bought the Georgian manor in 2012 after their daughter married into the royal family

https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/inside-bucklebury-manor-middletons-47m-25956721

Iwantcakeeveryday · 16/08/2023 11:54

The 18 acres around the property also include stunning gardens, a tennis court and a swimming pool

Gosh we live in an unfair and immoral society that thinks people with all of this should be able to close a business, leave people with far less out of pocket to the tune of thousands, and maintain their own luxury lifestyle. It's obscene.

vera99 · 16/08/2023 12:18

Iwantcakeeveryday · 16/08/2023 11:54

The 18 acres around the property also include stunning gardens, a tennis court and a swimming pool

Gosh we live in an unfair and immoral society that thinks people with all of this should be able to close a business, leave people with far less out of pocket to the tune of thousands, and maintain their own luxury lifestyle. It's obscene.

And in this day and age bow or curtsey to another person based on their birth /marriage and call them your Highness and pretend they are moral betters when they are nothing of the sort. Positively mediaeval.

LadyEloise1 · 16/08/2023 12:47

Iwantcakeeveryday · 16/08/2023 11:54

The 18 acres around the property also include stunning gardens, a tennis court and a swimming pool

Gosh we live in an unfair and immoral society that thinks people with all of this should be able to close a business, leave people with far less out of pocket to the tune of thousands, and maintain their own luxury lifestyle. It's obscene.

I agree with you 💯

LadyEloise1 · 16/08/2023 12:53

I also agree with @vera99 "And in this day and age bow or curtsy to another person based on their birth/marriage and call them your Highness and pretend they are moral betters when they are nothing of the sort."
👏🏻

Mind you I do like looking at the pomp, pageantry, ceremonies and fashion. Smile

BadgerB · 16/08/2023 15:55

Why is any money spent by the Royals immediately presumed to be "tax payers money"? They do have rather a lot of their own.

Is every thing the P.M spends "tax-payers money" too? Come to that every civil servant, NHS medic, state school teacher etc etc are paid with tax payers money.

everetting · 16/08/2023 19:16

Because their wealth comes from us. They take publicly owned goods like horses and stamps and steal them so they become their property. The guardian wrote about it.

AliceOlive · 16/08/2023 19:22

Horses are publicly owned?

They stole all the stamps?

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:27

AliceOlive · 16/08/2023 19:22

Horses are publicly owned?

They stole all the stamps?

Yes, every single horse in the country is personally owned by the Monarch. He rents them out. Although interestingly, donkeys are all owned by the Duke of Gloucester.
Post Offices have to go to Buckingham Palace at 5:00am to get the day's quota of stamps.
Don't get me started on ballpoint pens.

spanieleyes · 16/08/2023 19:31

Well, Richard 111 did say " a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse" ( if Shakespeare is to be believed!) so perhaps it's an extension of that!

upinaballoon · 16/08/2023 19:32

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:27

Yes, every single horse in the country is personally owned by the Monarch. He rents them out. Although interestingly, donkeys are all owned by the Duke of Gloucester.
Post Offices have to go to Buckingham Palace at 5:00am to get the day's quota of stamps.
Don't get me started on ballpoint pens.

Is that why our postmistress flies along Station Road every morning at 2?😑

Did Queen Victoria steal the stamps?

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:34

spanieleyes · 16/08/2023 19:31

Well, Richard 111 did say " a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse" ( if Shakespeare is to be believed!) so perhaps it's an extension of that!

You are so right 👍. Evidence.

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:36

Good question, @upinaballoon . As you well know, the first stamps were Penny Blacks. Now this is because they were made by a woman called Penny Black. Victoria had her abducted and locked in a cellar in Balmoral. Very sad.

everetting · 16/08/2023 19:42

And this is what happens. Someone points out their documented theft and some of you just ridicule in response. You obviously don't care that they steal from the taxpayers.

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:43

Ok, @everetting . Can you explain them stealing all the horses and stamps?

everetting · 16/08/2023 19:48

I did not say all.
The guardian outlined how valuable stamps belonging to the nation have been moved by the royals into their private collection. They stole them. The Queen sold various valuable horses given as state gifts.

Maireas · 16/08/2023 19:52

Ok. Thank you for clarifying. You'll understand that your post needed some further explanation.

upinaballoon · 16/08/2023 20:03

everetting · 16/08/2023 19:48

I did not say all.
The guardian outlined how valuable stamps belonging to the nation have been moved by the royals into their private collection. They stole them. The Queen sold various valuable horses given as state gifts.

Are you talking about The Guardian newspaper, which just might have a bias, the same as The Sun might have?

Which royals moved how many stamps into their private collections, when? I believe King George V had a stamp collection. Did Queen Mary pick them up here and there? Does King Charles steal stamps?

Does anyone know what happened if HMQ went on a visit to a middle eastern country and was given a horse as a present? Would all have been flown over here? Did she breed from any?

CathyorClaire · 16/08/2023 20:20

This is the series everetting is referring to:

Cost of the crown | The Guardian

It outlines various official gifts to the royals which have been absorbed into their private collections of jewellery, stamps, art and property.

And let's not forget Fawcett the Fence.

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