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The sudden unusual turn on Princess Kate

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Whatt · 29/05/2023 07:56

Today, I wanted to share something thought-provoking that has caught my attention recently - a noticeable change in the way the media portrays Kate Middleton.

Some publications that previously showed favor towards Kate (DM cough, cough) have started publishing stories that present her in a more critical light. It's an interesting shift.

Firstly, there's a story circulating about an encounter between Kate and a convicted murderer at a charity event. Additionally, there's talk of the taxpayer potentially providing support for her family's struggling business. This raises questions about the circumstances surrounding their business venture and the implications it may have for public funds.

What's intriguing is the parallel being drawn between Kate's current media treatment and the scrutiny faced by Meghan Markle in the past. It's worth discussing whether there's a connection or simply a coincidence.

Furthermore, there's some buzz on Twitter suggesting that Kate may have unintentionally upstaged the King during the Chelsea Flower Show. While it may seem like harmless gossip, it's interesting to consider the impact of such events on the monarchy's reputation. Some even speculate that Camilla might have been involved in the leak of these stories, adding an extra layer to the intrigue.

Taking a step back, it's worth pondering whether the monarchy should be concerned about being upstaged in this day and age. Are we witnessing a shift in priorities and expectations?

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tigger2022 · 05/08/2023 18:35

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/08/2023 16:36

The tide of press commentary about Diana turned substantially when her affair with Will Carling broke up his marriage. That wasn't anyone's PR briefing, it was the consequences of her own choice. (She'd had affairs with/crushes on other married men as well as him, but that was the one which diminished her reputation)

Not to derail but wouldn’t that be him at fault? She wasn’t married to Will Carling’s wife

Serenster · 05/08/2023 18:41

Not to derail but wouldn’t that be him at fault? She wasn’t married to Will Carling’s wife

No one ever applies that reasoning to Camilla!

Samcro · 05/08/2023 18:44

Wasn’t the camilla judgement because she was with Charles before and during his marriage (I could be wrong)

CabernetSauvignon · 05/08/2023 18:45

tigger2022 · 05/08/2023 18:35

Not to derail but wouldn’t that be him at fault? She wasn’t married to Will Carling’s wife

Someone who chooses to have an affair with a man she knows to be married isn't going to be fault-free, is she?

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/08/2023 19:02

Samcro · 05/08/2023 18:44

Wasn’t the camilla judgement because she was with Charles before and during his marriage (I could be wrong)

Just as the Diana "judgement" is because she was with married men during their marriages (leading to Julia ending her marriage with Will Carling).

She did what Camilla did, and that led to a change of tone in press coverage.

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 20:34

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/08/2023 19:02

Just as the Diana "judgement" is because she was with married men during their marriages (leading to Julia ending her marriage with Will Carling).

She did what Camilla did, and that led to a change of tone in press coverage.

As far as we know (well as far as I know) Camilla only had an affair with one man, Diana had affairs with more didn't she?

Samcro · 05/08/2023 20:41

But you could ask, would Diana have affairs if Charles had been faithful

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 20:46

You could also ask if Charles had been happy with Diana would he have started seeing Camilla again. At the end of the day we can't call that one can we but when she went on TV with her "there were 3 people in the marriage" there were a few more than 3.

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/08/2023 20:49

Samcro · 05/08/2023 20:41

But you could ask, would Diana have affairs if Charles had been faithful

Difficult to say.

Charles called off the affairs with both his premarital mistresses in the early days of the marriage. And stated in interview that he only got back together with one of them once the marriage had irretrievably broken down (widely interpreted to mean "after Diana had started her first affair")

So yes, the marriage crumbled, but perhaps (speculating here) it did that because they were ill-matched. And the affairs were aftermath/symptom, not cause

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 21:07

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/08/2023 20:49

Difficult to say.

Charles called off the affairs with both his premarital mistresses in the early days of the marriage. And stated in interview that he only got back together with one of them once the marriage had irretrievably broken down (widely interpreted to mean "after Diana had started her first affair")

So yes, the marriage crumbled, but perhaps (speculating here) it did that because they were ill-matched. And the affairs were aftermath/symptom, not cause

Yes we will never know. I was replying to you saying she did the same as Camilla but I don't think it was the same or at least it was the same but several times over. If Diana's affairs were OK because Charles had an affair first (if he did) then Camilla is the same as her husband had affairs but again Charles had one and Parker Bowles was supposed to have several. If we do it on simple maths Charles and Camilla aren't as bad as Diana and Andrew PB. Not sure if maths is the way we judge these things.

Nono22972 · 05/08/2023 21:44

Samcro · 05/08/2023 17:58

I don’t believe they will ever split. But then I think all the affair stuff is bull shit. Kate is a strong woman, who imo never put up with it and I bet W knows that.

Obviously, nobody knows what happens behind close doors but if he did, I don't think it was RH especially after Pippa named her daughter Rose. What would you name your child after the woman who's having an affair with your sister's husband?

Nono22972 · 05/08/2023 21:50

Serenster · 05/08/2023 18:41

Not to derail but wouldn’t that be him at fault? She wasn’t married to Will Carling’s wife

No one ever applies that reasoning to Camilla!

Let's be real for a minute, Diana and Camilla weren't that much different. Both were in unhappy marriages with cheating husbands and slept with married men but the only reason Camilla gets criticised while Diana gets a pass is because of pretty privilege.

If Diana looked like Camilla, she'd get a lot more criticised but because she was glamorous and gorgeous, people didn't care.

smilesy · 05/08/2023 22:37

It is also possible that if Diana had not died when she did, people would have judged her more harshly. I agree that both she and Camilla were in the wrong marriage

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 22:38

Nono22972 · 05/08/2023 21:50

Let's be real for a minute, Diana and Camilla weren't that much different. Both were in unhappy marriages with cheating husbands and slept with married men but the only reason Camilla gets criticised while Diana gets a pass is because of pretty privilege.

If Diana looked like Camilla, she'd get a lot more criticised but because she was glamorous and gorgeous, people didn't care.

And she played it didn't she, sweet pretty Diana with her tilted head and eyes lowered, so innocent. The wonderful mother Diana who was off in Paris with her boyfriend when her kids were on school holidays and who involved her child in her drama. Yes that Diana. Camilla just got on with it as far as I can see.

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 22:39

smilesy · 05/08/2023 22:37

It is also possible that if Diana had not died when she did, people would have judged her more harshly. I agree that both she and Camilla were in the wrong marriage

Well she wouldn't have stayed young and gorgeous forever.

BadgerB · 06/08/2023 07:29

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum".

If Diana had lived, and married again, maybe more than once, the whole RF scenario would be very different.
The Queen is unlikely to have allowed Charles to remarry if he had still been a divorcee and not a widower.
Would he have married Camilla as soon as he became king?

LimeCheesecake · 06/08/2023 08:07

Iwasafool · 05/08/2023 22:38

And she played it didn't she, sweet pretty Diana with her tilted head and eyes lowered, so innocent. The wonderful mother Diana who was off in Paris with her boyfriend when her kids were on school holidays and who involved her child in her drama. Yes that Diana. Camilla just got on with it as far as I can see.

To be fair to Diana here - she was on holiday in Paris when her kids were on holiday with their dad. Separated woman are allowed to go do fun things when their dcs are having access time with the other parent!

LimeCheesecake · 06/08/2023 08:12

I do believe some of the William affairs rumours - seems about right for his personality. And the rumour was they broke up when first dating because he’d cheated.

but also think Kate is bright enough to know her choices and decided to stick with him. She’d be ripped to shreds by the press if she left, no matter what he’d done.

Morestrangerthings1 · 06/08/2023 08:26

i have said before on here, and so have others, that Diana was a 19 year old naive virgin when she became engaged to Charles. Not long after that, they married. Why was it okay to encourage this young girl to marry a man 10 years older than her who was obviously not in love with her? So damaging. I think that at 19, no matter who you are, you expect to be loved in a marriage - or at least, you did back then.

They all should have carried the weight of some guilt in their roles that they played in this. Both Charles & his family and the older members of her family. They had enormous power over Diana - their expectations and consequent approval/disapproval - it must have been daunting for her, I think.

That Diana kicked back at all is to her credit. When she did kick back, they made her out to be unbalanced, mad. ‘A mad woman’ - that’s not an unusual response from those who hold the power, (or those who identify with those that hold the power). Still. Today.

Morestrangerthings1 · 06/08/2023 08:29

Camilla never got the ‘mad’ label as far as I can remember. She got the ‘bad’ label. Awful. Poor Diana was labelled both ‘bad and mad.’

Morestrangerthings1 · 06/08/2023 08:39

BadgerB · 06/08/2023 07:29

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum".

If Diana had lived, and married again, maybe more than once, the whole RF scenario would be very different.
The Queen is unlikely to have allowed Charles to remarry if he had still been a divorcee and not a widower.
Would he have married Camilla as soon as he became king?

My guess would be yes Badger, Charles would have married Camilla after he became King. But I’m not convinced that if Diana had not died, that over time, the Queen would have stood in the way of C&C marriage. I’m not sure what the ramifications would have been - would the Church have allowed Charles to be crowned in church etc.. if he was a remarried divorcée? Has it moved with the changing times?

Iwasafool · 06/08/2023 08:49

LimeCheesecake · 06/08/2023 08:07

To be fair to Diana here - she was on holiday in Paris when her kids were on holiday with their dad. Separated woman are allowed to go do fun things when their dcs are having access time with the other parent!

Yes when your kids are at boarding school you really need that break in the holidays. I read that Fergie used to go and stay in a cottage on the Balmoral Estate so her kids could see her every day and yet she constantly got painted as the bad one.

The same PR was used when she insisted on taking a baby William to Australia, such a devoted mother that she couldn't be separated from him. Small headlines when at the end of the tour he was sent home and her and Charles went off on a 2 week beach holiday presumably she suddenly found she could be without him. So the poor kid was dragged half way round the world, left somewhere with a nanny and when mum had 2 weeks where she could be with him he was sent home.

She had great PR and her adoring fans lapped it all up.

Iwasafool · 06/08/2023 08:53

Morestrangerthings1 · 06/08/2023 08:39

My guess would be yes Badger, Charles would have married Camilla after he became King. But I’m not convinced that if Diana had not died, that over time, the Queen would have stood in the way of C&C marriage. I’m not sure what the ramifications would have been - would the Church have allowed Charles to be crowned in church etc.. if he was a remarried divorcée? Has it moved with the changing times?

Camilla was a divorcee and the Queen allowed the marriage, I'm not sure that both being divorcees would have made much difference. Camilla's ex is still alive, well he was at the Coronation so if he's died it is very recent. Camilla was crowned in church with her ex present, seems things have moved on.

Maireas · 06/08/2023 08:59

LimeCheesecake · 06/08/2023 08:12

I do believe some of the William affairs rumours - seems about right for his personality. And the rumour was they broke up when first dating because he’d cheated.

but also think Kate is bright enough to know her choices and decided to stick with him. She’d be ripped to shreds by the press if she left, no matter what he’d done.

seems about right for his personality
Is that evidence for an affair?

LimeCheesecake · 06/08/2023 08:59

Oh come on, Fergie and Andrew’s split was very fucked up. Going to stay next to where your exH has taken the dcs on holiday is not normal.

(imagine the threads on here - “my exP has booked a cottage in the same village I’m taking the dcs on holiday to, so they can see them every day of our holiday, AIBU to think that’s not ok?” )

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