PH lost bid to challenge for right to pay Home Office for his security

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I've probably garbled that, but that's the gist of it.

@Serenster I think during both the tom Bradby interview and the Anderson Cooper one, Harry was asked some 'tricky' questions. Why keep the titles, and about the racism accusations. At both questions, Harry became defensive and annoyed and answered some ridiculous BS to answer these questions. Doesn't look good for him imo.

Its easy to tell the truth when things are clear cut and unambiguous, but to talk in his usual way about leakings and plantings, simply won't cut it. A courtroom requires evidence, not impressions.

There's a saying
' if you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything '
I think Harry will tie himself in knots and lose his rag, he doesn't strike me as someone who likes to be have mere mortals argue back with him.
Looking forward to it. Have bought my popcorn.

Harry has a terrible temper, and isn't a very convincing liar. If he can't remember or can't prove something he will trip himself up, I imagine the cross examining barrister can't wait to get him in the witness box, they will have reviewed interviews to see how Harry reacts and what triggers him, I would be very surprised if they don't annihilate him on the stand.

It's a pity because he is in the right here, the media should be held to account but for me, at least, Harry has become so unlikable that I want to see him tripped up. Sad how he's lost so much support.

Harry has had his whole life of people at some level treating him with deference. He s going to find the experience of being challenged very shocking.he clearly feels so strongly about this but I fear it is all tangled up with feelings about his mother's death which are not actually relevant to this case.

When is Harry expected in the witness box.

You'd rather he did badly in the witness box than a huge newspaper group who acknowledges its behaviour be held responsible for its actions.

That's just being vindictive.

I believe it's Tuesday next week.

One of the reasons I don't give a shit if Harry is mauled to pieces in the witness box is I'm sick of his hypocrisy. It comes from his gross and disproportionate sense of privilege and entitlement

Harry clearly lied on his American visa application and is in America under false pretences. So he is trumpeting his crusade about the lies and deceptions of the British press, yet has lied and been deceptive on his visa application. Sorry Harry, you are not a crusader after truth, you are a vindictive man with MH problems you think will be solved by battling the British press. He needs to step away, clean up his drug use and see genuine psychiatrist, not some pay per view charlatan who encourages drug use.

My sympathies are with the other victims of press intrusion like milly dowlers family. The British press can be a cesspit and need cleaning up, but Harry has unclean hands,

We don't know what he said in his visa application.

But we may find out, as there is a hearing in the US on 6 June about whether it should be unsealed.

Thread about his visa issues here:

Harry DEPORTED from America MNHQ updating subject line with spoiler that no, he wasn't deported | Mumsnet

He either lied
Or had special dispensation to enter using his royal privilege.
Cocaine use is almost a guaranteed refusal under normal circumstances.
Neither is a good look.

I'm certain the hearing will fail. He has too many powerful friends. It will add to the mistrust in the democratic government. The democrats appear to support Meghan and Harry, so it's not a surprise.

I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist now!

@WinnieTheW0rm My point is he is fighting the British press on a certain issue, but has shown that issue doesn't appear to apply to him in his application, rather than the application itself.

There are plenty of others with drug histories who have secured US visas (look at the rock stars who moved over there!) So I don't think it's inherently royal privilege.

And whatever he did on a visa application in the 2020s is surely no justification for phone hacking years before that. It might be a point about his credibility and character (now, but perhaps he'd argue not then?) but if they want to go after that angle, I think he's put plenty of other stuff into the public domain, including his account of matters that straddled the actions of the press.

Does anyone really want to see Harry annihilated in the witness box? Exasperating as he is, the case is surely bigger than that. I think he will be extensively coached beforehand, may not be a stellar witness but probably won’t be a disaster either.

An actor from stranger things was detained at a US airport after traces of cocaine were found on him. He was allowed back. It's ridiculous to pretend Harry is getting some sort of preferential treatment that goes above and beyond what the usual celebs get.

There are many vindictive people on these threads that would much prefer that.

Does anyone really want to see Harry annihilated in the witness box? Exasperating as he is, the case is surely bigger than that

It's precisely because the case/issues are much bigger that some of us wish Harry wasn't involved at all. Having amply proved himself to be a liar, with a self described odd attitude to the truth, we worry what effect his account may have on the overall process - or even just the perception of it

Yes I'm sure that's why you're all hoping Harry will fall when in the witness box. Because you care about the bigger picture 🙄

Sorry it doesn't suit, kirinm, but some of us are capable of telling the truth and if you care to search you'll find my own position on this has always been the same

@kirinm People are allowed to be disgusted at the attitude and behaviour of harry Unfortunately with so much focus on his circus the people most hurt are being overshadowed. His girlfriend is more deserving of my sympathy.

Does anyone really want to see Harry annihilated in the witness box? Exasperating as he is, the case is surely bigger than that. I think he will be extensively coached beforehand, may not be a stellar witness but probably won’t be a disaster either.

He's a middle aged father of two with access to more money and resources than anyone in my family will ever see ( as his ancestor frequently murdered and oppressed mine ) he chosen to bring this case and thus enter the witness stand and has very expensive legal advice to guide him.

What people wish or want is nether here nor there and how he behaves is up to him though I too suspect he won't make a splash either way and it will all be less dramatic than some hope.

The newspapers are being held responsible all the time by a variety of people. They're constantly making payouts.
Harry winning or losing isn't really going to make any difference in the overall scheme of things.
Seeing him being asked questions that he can't control will make a refreshing change. I think he'll do OK as long as as he keeps to the truth. He, or his team on his behalf, have already been warned by a judge, can't remember which case, to not go off at a tangent criticising the media.

I asked the question because I think most people here are actually very rational in their criticism of Harry. Wanting to see him shredded in court doesn’t seem consistent with that. I hope he is asked tough questions, inconsistencies are challenged and he’s called to account for some of his dottier claims. I just don’t like the idea of it becoming a blood sport.

He will have been coached to death, as otherwise his people would not have agreed to his going on the stand.

If someone is liable to implicate themselves or get tripped up, then they will not appear as a witness for/against.

Harry is (like Uncle Andrew, I’m afraid) dim and pompous, but presumably his legal team have their heads screwed on.

Opposing KC will know he's been coached, though, and will be going for what they reckon are his weak points. PH isn't used to being challenged or having people question him.