To be upset Prince Harry has made Diana all about her death?

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Diana was a wonderful person in many ways. She had her faults like everyone, but mostly due to her dysfunctional childhood.

However she was a loving mother, a fearless campaigner for HIV and the other charities. A humanitarian who campaigned against land mines. None of these were glamorous, but she did it anyway.

She helped bring the monarchy into the 20 century. She was kind, warm and relatable as a person. She should be remembered as such.

Harry however has made it all about her horrendous death in a Paris tunnel. Endlessly merching the memory of her traumatic death, making it all about him and not his brothers pain, rehashing her death in his book, and now this latest stunt, which was likely designed to get his free security reinstated. If he knew what honour was he would be ashamed, but he won't be. All Diana is now is a mortally injured woman in a tunnel.

And where's his evidence that William’s press office leaked stories about him to the press? He can't even keep his stories straight, so no I don't believe him.

What awful things has he said about kate? Well let’s see, Harry in his book described kate making a face when Meghan asked to borrow her lipgloss, or what about when he said this in his documentary: I think for so many people in the family, especially obviously the men, there can be a temptation or an urge to marry someone who would fit the mould as opposed to somebody who you perhaps are destined to be with.’ Or when he mentioned in his book that he wore the nazi costume because kate and William told him to.

As for him dragging William and Kate’s kids into his publicity circus, this is what he said in an interview: “And though William and I have talked about it once or twice, and he has made it very clear to me that his kids are not my responsibility, I still feel a responsibility knowing that out of those three children, at least one will end up like me, the spare. And that hurts, that worries me.” That just gets to show that Harry does not respect personal boundaries, and he doesn't care if he drags other peoples kids into his mess which is absolutely despicable.

I just wrote that Harry’s statements that his brother has lost his resemblance to their mother or that she's now watching over harry instead of William, comes across as petty and jealously possesive of his mother. Why did you care enough to comment on my comment?

Well i couldn't provide evidence for everything that happened in my life could you? He may or may not be lying.

Saying somebody pulled a face when they've been asked to lend their lipgloss is hardly ruining their reputation is it? It sounds like a clash of cultures to me. Its true that the Royal men are under pressure to marry a woman of a certain class and style. That's not slagging Kate off at all. He didn't say Kate and Eilliam tpld him tp wear the costume, he said they thought it was ok. The trouble they both came across as rugger bugger public school boys in those days and i've met a few those sort of people in my time and they're not exactly renowned for political correctness so yeah i can believe that happpened. I really be interested to see what app the other costumes from that night were.

He doesn't actually say anything personal about the children just an expression that he worries that one of them might feel like he does about being a spare. Princess Margaret didnt like being a spare from what i understand. George, Charlotte and Louis are going to have a life of scrutiny and people talking about them. I don't why we have such an intetest in them really.

Well i wouldnt have taken it to mean that he's more possesive of Diana just that his brother doesn't look like her as his features have changed. Its the opposite in my family. My brother looks more and more like das each year.

I'm commenting because I'm interested in what makes people have such strong feelings about people they don't know. I'm not anti monarchy as such but I'm pretty sure that the Royal family including Harry don't give a stuff about us plebs.

I think that a lot of the things that some people think they might not particularly like about Meghan are things that Harry has unnecessarily said or written about her.

I don't think the reports of him spending regular nights away from her in Montecito and LA hotels were because they weren't together or split up. Just that he needs time on his own, away from the family. I do think he has significant mental health problems which affect how much time he can cope with in the company of others. I struggle with this as well so I do have sympathy with him. And it's not as if he's leaving Meghan to do all the hard-work because the children do have nannies.
I think they have very different personal behaviours and boundaries but they look very much in love to me.

Well i couldn't provide evidence for everything that happened in my life could you? He may or may not be lying.

If I accuse you of working for the Sussexes without any evidence, does that mean I may or may not be lying?

If you're going to make accusations about others in a book or in an interview, you better make sure there's actual evidence for it, otherwise you will look like a liar. And Harry has been PROVEN to have lied a number of times, such as claiming that he's never gone on bike rides with his dad when he was young despite photos showing that he has.

Saying somebody pulled a face when they've been asked to lend their lipgloss is hardly ruining their reputation is it? It sounds like a clash of cultures to me. Its true that the Royal men are under pressure to marry a woman of a certain class and style. That's not slagging Kate off at all.

The fact he even mentioned Kate in his book, when she has never said anything publicly about him just gets to show the lack of respect he has for other peoples privacy. He acted exactly like the press he despises so much.

If Harry had no intention to drag Kate in his book, why even bother mentioning that she made a face when she lent Meghan her lipgloss. There was no need to mention that specific detail other than to make the person look bad.

And yes that was indirectly slagging off Kate and William’s marriage because Harry mentioned that bit about royal men marrying women who fit the mould instead of for love, as his justification for marrying Meghan. If he had no intention of making kate and William look bad, he wouldn't have specified the men in the royal family. He knows that the only other high profile royal men in his family besides himself was his brother and his dad. And he is also well aware that kate has been described in the press as acting like a proper royal, aka fitting the royalty mould.

He didn't say Kate and Eilliam tpld him tp wear the costume, he said they thought it was ok.

From Harry’s book:
I phoned Willy and Kate, asked what they thought. Nazi uniform, they said," Harry allegedly writes, saying he then tried the costume on in front of them. "They both howled. Worse than Willy's leotard outfit! Way more ridiculous! Which, again, was the point."

He doesn't actually say anything personal about the children just an expression that he worries that one of them might feel like he does about being a spare. Princess Margaret didnt like being a spare from what i understand. George, Charlotte and Louis are going to have a life of scrutiny and people talking about them. I don't why we have such an intetest in them really.

It's none of Harry’s business about the upbringing of the Wales’ children. They are not his children to worry about, they are not in any danger, and they have their own parents whose responsibility it is to look after them. William told him to back off and leave his children alone. But did Harry listen? Of course not, because he's now talked about his brother’s children to the media.

Well i wouldnt have taken it to mean that he's more possesive of Diana just that his brother doesn't look like her as his features have changed.

Oh really? So I guess you conveniently ignore the bit I mentioned after where Harry stated in an interview that Diana is done looking after William and his family, so she is now going to be watching over Harry and his own family. That to me sounds very possessive of her, like he can't even stand the thought that Diana might be watching over William in death.

I'm commenting because I'm interested in what makes people have such strong feelings about people they don't know. I'm not anti monarchy as such but I'm pretty sure that the Royal family including Harry don't give a stuff about us plebs.

Oh but Harry does give a stuff. He's complained about social media, about the negative comments, and I think even mentioned that he reads comments about him and Meghan on the internet.

My point is, it wouldn't have been such an issue even if all Harry does is talk about his mother, but he also talks about others without their consent, and has also seemingly tried to downplay the relationship that William had with his mother by making those petty statements.

If this had been kate and William, the Sussex fans would be screaming about cheating and divorce or having a marriage of convenience.

Haha. Maybe. But I try to be fair in what I write. I confess, I used to really like Harry but it really upset me how he's hurt his family and sold their lives really. But I still support him in some of his endeavours. And I don't like talk about them splitting up because not only would it be awful for their children, I just don't think it's true. I think they're mismatched in certain ways and I think he must be quite difficult to live with, but to me they do seem genuinely to be in love. As do Kate & William, and Charles & Camilla. After all those Charles v Diana years, I think that's a lovely situation for them and us to be in.

I feel people just get so entrenched in their views on these boards that they see it almost as a betrayal to say someone they like has done something wrong or that someone they're not keen on has done something right.

She's obsessed with Harry and Meghan. Her focus was more Meghan, the treacherous daughter in law, but has shifted towards Harry of late.
You will be called out by her supporters if you challenge. They are not interested in how her posts are rude and delusional but sometimes it's fun to witness how petty and defensive they get. She claims that both H&M are disgusting individuals and refers to Meghan as above, yet posts numerous times on almost every thread about them and now starts yet another spurious thread.
Just look at the nasty juvenile behaviour of some here. Don't you dare challenge those who.must be listened to.
I now read these comments from OP and others and wonder why they spend so much time hating and obsessing about people who they (presumably) don't know and don't affect their daily lives. Just laugh at their obsessiveness and be grateful you are not them. Helps pass the time when ☕ 😂

I think with these people who obsess over and hate people they have never met, believing all tabloid bollocks and spreading vile hatred on the internet, it's all a distraction from looking at themselves and all their own faults and flaws and tiny lives. Wonder if OP is really such a "perfect" person in comparison. Hasn't OP got anything better to do? Clearly not.

OP I kindly suggest you step back from the internet and maybe try to make your own life fulfilling rather than obsessingly hating someone you've never met. Then you wouldn't have time for this ridiculous bollocks.

@MNHQ - why did you delete my post - I was talking about the OP behaviour, not attacking the OP - I was very clear the behaviour was disgusting, asked you to look at this thread as its not really 'in the spirit'

@Haywirecity you could be right - but I doubt it 😃 I hope they don’t split up - they deserve each other

The book will have been checked by lawyers beforehand and I will ? don't are if you think I work for the Sussexes. The Royal family is based on a lie. Apparently the monarch is believed to have been chosen by god, where's the proof.

If you think someone sounds bad because they pulled a face about lip gloss then that's a personal interpretation. It just makes it sound like an exchange between two women from two totally different ideas about sharing lip gloss.

Harry did not slag off Will and Kate's marriage. He's talking about Royal men in general. Charles did marry someone just because he felt obliged to in the case of Diana. His great Uncle had to abdicate because he picked the wrong girl, Prince Andrew wasn't allowed to marry Koo Stark and although she's a woman Margaret wasn't allowed to marry Captain Townshend. He didn't say that William didn't love Kate but he was lucky that she is the right for for the family. If hme's fallen for say Rihanna, do you think he would have been able to marry.

They may have thought his costume was funny.

The Wales be under total scrutiny all their life. Harry has been through stand he is concerned that it will have a negative affect. He's allowed to express that opinion.

Harry cannot be possessive Of a dead person. The way Harry feels the way about her is his personal feelings which he is allowed to express. You don't have to like but it is up to him in sure William is adult enough to deal with this.

Harry is bothered about his family being slated in the press and social media. His child was compared to a chimpanzee. That's really nasty and derogatory, his wife has had a popular presenter say he would like to throw excrement at his naked wife. These are not trivial things like pulling a face over things l Lip gloss. These involve racism, misogyny and violence. He should be aware of them.

No it's not a situation. Charles married a woman he didn't love and that's had huge negative affect on lots of people. If he's had the courage to say no then no it would have saved a lot of heartache. He wanted to be King though.

Oh give over. Why do these strangers mean so much to you?

YOU are making the feelings of a bereaved little boy all about you!

You can't dictate how he feels because it doesn't suit your agenda.

The Wales be under total scrutiny all their life. Harry has been through stand he is concerned that it will have a negative affect. He's allowed to express that opinion.

I can't actually remember exactly what he said about the Wales children but you can see how people are stereotyping them already - shy George, bossy Charlotte, naughty Louis. Personalities have been created for them based on the short time we see them in public.

Perhaps it's fairly harmless when they're little but would you really want to be pigeonholed like that for the rest of your life?

Id hate it. They may be lucky and fit the royal ideal but can you imagine if George was gay or Charlotte put on weight, the press would he horrendous. Louis looks like most of the boys i know a that age to be honest.

It's really disturbing how Harry&Meghan hate is getting more and more QAnon-like in terms of really far out there conspiracy theories.

Really OP, do you genuinely believe that Harry - a man who can't even sneeze without it being on every newspaper front page - would HIRE 12 cars blacked out cars with illegally covered up licence plates, hire 12 drivers, pay them to drive illegally and dangerously around a major city, in full view of police officers, purely as a publicity stunt? If Harry was responsible (and such a thing would get out) he'd risk going to prison.

The idea that he organised the thing himself as a PR stunt is literal Q Anon conspiracy theory.

Honestly the crazy conspiracy theories invented by the Harry and Meghan hate gang are just so far out there. So far I've heard, Meghan is secretly the daughter of a Rothschild and that's why she's so protected (that rumour is huge on social media). All sorts of crazy rumours about sex work, prison, covered up sex tapes, American government agencies being paid off to alter government records, of course tons of conspiracy theories about fake babies.

These people aren't mentally well, I think. It's sad. H&M have done plenty of attention whoring shit without inventing deranged conspiracy theories.

It's pretty obvious that William's team leaked stories about William.

First, all the royals leak on each other all the time. I bet Harry's team have leaked too, they're all at it and they always have been. It's just how the Firm works.

Second, tons of private conversations and other private info about Harry and Meghan got into the press, including private conversations between her and Kate. Clearly people on the inside are leaking.

Third, the leaks came to a complete halt when Harry and Meghan left, Harry can now suddenly pop up in London without anyone having the slightest idea that he's in the country, the press didn't know his plans for the Coronation ahead of time, which proves that whoever was leaking his movements to the press no longer has access to him.

Fourth, William's insanely extravagant rewards given to Jason Knauf (making Jason CEO of the entire Cambridge Foundation with no experience, giving him all kinds of fancy honours and gongs) when Jason at the very least fucked up his job (he was Thomas Markle's press handler which was clearly fucked up, he hired his best friend to be Meghan's PA when she was a nanny with no PA experience and she wound up fired for gross misconduct) and multiple journalists are on the record as saying Jason was feeding them negative stories about Meghan, plus the email that was accidentally sent to Meghan's lawyers showed he was actively working against her. Why would William shower such extraordinary lavish rewards on someone who at best was terrible at his job and not trustworthy, unless he was acting under William's instructions the entire time?

And fifth, multiple journalists are on the record (one even went on national TV and said this) as saying that most of the leaks and negative stories about Meghan came from Kensington Palace.

My mum wasn't famous at all but she was murdered (was in a longterm DV relationship that escalated after she ended the relationship) and I've written an award-winning stage play about her murder, and now have a publishing deal to write a book about my experience of coping with grief.

I don't consider that I am "merching" my mother's death but feel free to judge me, OP.

In the court hearing the other week didn't the Mirror say all the stories about Harry had come from within the Palace? And didn't Thomas Markle do an interview with Australian TV to say Jason Knauf contacted him to ask him to try and stop the wedding? I mean, I don't believe a word TM says but I assume all the posters who feel sorry for him and think he's a wronged man do.

I'm sorry for your loss @BeatrixKidd