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Megan pregnant with third?

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Chickenruns · 08/05/2023 07:29

Recent photos, she's walking with friends and she's so slim but definitely looks just like my sister did when she was about 6/7months pregnant - she's wearing black but I'm sure I can see a bump that isn't her usual figure!

Might just be the angle but it would explain why she didn't attend the Coronation and why Harry flew back so quickly. I appreciate he had Archie's birthday too but it would be another reason.

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Maireas · 13/05/2023 08:27

This was just discussed on the thread "I feel sorry for Harry". Lot's of discussion on the princely titles.

Roussette · 13/05/2023 08:28

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Thank you for those links. I shall read them with interest.

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 08:30

KrasiTime · 13/05/2023 08:20

Im honestly surprised that they wanted royal titles for the children, I would have thought it would benefit Archie & Lillibet (?) more to be styled as Lady Louise & her brother are.

They are still prince & princess but not in a way that burdens them IYSWIM. Anyway that’s my twopence worth.

It’s Meghan and Harry all over though isn’t it - they want to keep all the good bits while doing none of the work and trashing his family. In a world of famous Hollywood children they could never just have a plain old Viscount Archie and Lady Lillibet - it would mean nothing to the Americans who are now their sole market.

Interestingly I’d quite like to know how Harry can lives in the US for so long, and Archie. My friend married an American man who was working in the UK when they met and they can’t get back to the US for love nor money 10 years later with their son for more than a few months. Well he can - she can’t and their son can’t. Mr and Mrs Hard Done By clearly have privileges unavailable to others (bless their oppressed little hearts).

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 08:31

Rhondaa · 13/05/2023 08:20

Yes and you would think one would give the white privileged descendant of a rf that benefited from the slave trade a very wide berth if you had strong principles about what happened centuries ago.

Absolutely!

It takes about 4 seconds of research to find out what made the British Empire so ‘great’. They are the world’s whitest family in every sense. Not sure why you’d marry into them and moan about it

Maireas · 13/05/2023 08:31

I suspect Prince Harry will have no problems continuing with American residency.

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 08:32

Mooshamoo · 13/05/2023 08:22

I disagree that residency is immaterial.

It's a bit stupid to have a prince Archie of the UK in California.

It's the first time it's ever been done.

I feel like when Harry decided he didn't want to be a working royal anymore and left to live in the USA, then it should also affect his children.

They could have gone to live in a Commonwealth country country but then it wouldn’t be Hollywood would it

Samcro · 13/05/2023 08:39

Inkanta · 13/05/2023 06:57

The Royal Family section is in the main about Meghan and Harry. This thread for instance is bonkers. Even MNet founder Justine Roberts said posters are so strongly anti-Meghan we’ve had to do what we did with Madeleine McCann and cobbleit into one topic because it seems slightly deranged

its odd that she got that wrong. the MM threads were deleted.

Maireas · 13/05/2023 08:46

Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet have some very interesting lineage. I don't know about the paternal Markle side (German?), but on the Harry side they're descended from not only a long line of British monarchs, but also, the Spencers, a very old and significant aristocratic family

queenofarles · 13/05/2023 09:21

Im honestly surprised that they wanted royal titles for the children, I would have thought it would benefit Archie & Lillibet (?) more to be styled as Lady Louise & her brother
you are brave bringing this up 😬
the first time we discussed this it was so unpleasant you’d think people were talking about their own children!

at first I thought it’s to give them the choice in case they decide to return back to the uk , but seeing how the monarchy is going and how indeed KC is determined to slim it down, I wonder if titles add anything?

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/05/2023 09:32

Goodness.

Reading these histrionic responses to the question I answered, "why are academics interested in Meghan", reminds me of Harry's brilliant ghostwriter writing a thoughtful and fascinating piece in the New Yorker on ghostwriting, memory, process and memoir, only for it to be reduced to "Harry shouted at Ghost at 2 am" by the tabloid media.

I guess its true that people invariably respond to even the most complex ideas at their own level of knowledge and education, with no curiosity beyond their own parochial understanding😶

Rhondaa · 13/05/2023 09:43

'Reading these histrionic responses to the question'

Histrionic? Can you quite an example please. I've just seen intelligent challenges to your post.

Do you think it is matters that Kate is descendant form coal miners? No it doesn't does it. How people behave now is far more relevant than who their great great great grandmother was.

Maireas · 13/05/2023 09:49

histrionic responses ?
Where?
Not on this thread.

Maireas · 13/05/2023 09:51

It's probably future proofing, @queenofarles . Those titles will open a lot of doors. Think how Beatrice and Eugenie have benefited.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:01

Rhondaa · 13/05/2023 08:12

And Kate Middleton descended from poor coal miners on her mother's side, what is the relevance of who descended from whom? Imagine if she kept going on telly to complain that the unfair scrutiny in the early days was all classist crap.

Surely it is the behaviour or said descendants in the current day that counts, no?

The question asked was what areas of academic study - she was answering that question.

She also discussed behavioural studies vis-a-vis communities who coalesce around villainy. I’m sure there is more than enough scope to add your own contributions should you feel them necessary.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/05/2023 10:03

Rhondaa · 13/05/2023 09:43

'Reading these histrionic responses to the question'

Histrionic? Can you quite an example please. I've just seen intelligent challenges to your post.

Do you think it is matters that Kate is descendant form coal miners? No it doesn't does it. How people behave now is far more relevant than who their great great great grandmother was.

Of course who the maternal ancestors of a future king of England are matters. I for one find it hugely interesting, as it is a great story about social mobility in a deeply hidebound and class ridden society. I understand the role of class in UK history and society. Just a pity there are many here keen to elide class with race, or just pretend race is not a factor at all.

There was an interesting survey before the coronation, overlooked in the popular press, that said in 10 out of the 14 overseas realms, people believed Meghan and Harry more than they did the royal family. It is the first survey I have read of attitudes in the non-white realms, and it did not surprise me at all.

polkadotdalmation · 13/05/2023 10:04

Quite frankly, the whole of the Netflix documentary on H&M was a masterclass in disinformation, PR manipulation, and gaslighting.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:06

They live in Hollywood and need a USP in place of a distinct lack of talent.

Montecito is not in Los Angeles.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:14

Rhondaa · 13/05/2023 09:43

'Reading these histrionic responses to the question'

Histrionic? Can you quite an example please. I've just seen intelligent challenges to your post.

Do you think it is matters that Kate is descendant form coal miners? No it doesn't does it. How people behave now is far more relevant than who their great great great grandmother was.

Yes I think it worthy of academic interest - but Kate Middleton was not the question which she was answering which was paraphrasing “what academic interest could there be in the online discourse of MM”

I think a study in social mobility in the UK which enabled the Middletons to achieve so much in their family - the 90’s and links to Cool Britannia and how that links to the economic collapse in the 80s and miners - lots to get one’s teeth into. But that wasn’t the topic she was responding to.

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 10:16

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/05/2023 09:32

Goodness.

Reading these histrionic responses to the question I answered, "why are academics interested in Meghan", reminds me of Harry's brilliant ghostwriter writing a thoughtful and fascinating piece in the New Yorker on ghostwriting, memory, process and memoir, only for it to be reduced to "Harry shouted at Ghost at 2 am" by the tabloid media.

I guess its true that people invariably respond to even the most complex ideas at their own level of knowledge and education, with no curiosity beyond their own parochial understanding😶

And yet you think using your (faux)intellectual snobbery to avoid perfectly valid questions is any better 😂

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 10:17

Also no one is upset about the academic papers. No one. No one is denying there has been racism towards MM. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s strange a WOC who so passionately against white oppression would marry into the most oppressively white family in the world.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 13/05/2023 10:18

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:06

They live in Hollywood and need a USP in place of a distinct lack of talent.

Montecito is not in Los Angeles.

Even in all the rage, the details are always wrong.

Montecito like Los Angeles is in California, but Montecito is not in Los Angeles. Nor is Montecito in "Hollywood" which is both a place in Los Angeles and a metonym for the film industry of the US, in the same way that "D.C" is a metonym for the government of the US while also being the short form of the capital city of the US and seat of government.

If these threads result in a little improved knowledge of US geography and poplar terms, they will have been worth it! 😉

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:19

Of course who the maternal ancestors of a future king of England are matters. I for one find it hugely interesting, as it is a great story about social mobility in a deeply hidebound and class ridden society.

I think an examination of social mobility is a better way to express what I was trying to convey.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:25

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 10:17

Also no one is upset about the academic papers. No one. No one is denying there has been racism towards MM. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s strange a WOC who so passionately against white oppression would marry into the most oppressively white family in the world.

With respect - someone asked a question “what academic study”

MrsWinter said “I can give some examples of academic study”

Someone else said “what about academic study about another topic” and “I don’t agree with the premise of the academic study that is already happening about the topic we are talking about”

MrsWinter said “you’re allowed to disagree with the premise” and “sure you can talk about your own academic topic it’s worthy of study”

And your question has nothing to do with what has been discussed up to this point. It is an absolutely valid topic but is not what MrsWinter was discussing. At all.

YouWonJayne · 13/05/2023 10:28

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 10:25

With respect - someone asked a question “what academic study”

MrsWinter said “I can give some examples of academic study”

Someone else said “what about academic study about another topic” and “I don’t agree with the premise of the academic study that is already happening about the topic we are talking about”

MrsWinter said “you’re allowed to disagree with the premise” and “sure you can talk about your own academic topic it’s worthy of study”

And your question has nothing to do with what has been discussed up to this point. It is an absolutely valid topic but is not what MrsWinter was discussing. At all.

Actually my post was in response to MrsWinter’s claim that there were ‘histrionic responses’ to her posting academic papers. There weren’t.