Using t*mpongate as an insult

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Ok I’m probably going to get piled on but whatever…

Does anyone feel a bit uncomfortable about the way some people casually drop in references from Camilla/Charles’s leaked telephone conversation as a drive-by insult? Or casually use it as a cruel nickname for them or something?

Having that leaked was such a violation, and when it’s referenced so callously to try and humiliate them it feels as ick to me as if people were quoting from leaked revenge porn or something.

You can’t un-know it. It’s such an unusual thing that it’s going to be remembered and, yes, ridiculed. I hear what you’re saying about victims of crime and all that, but it is what it is. It won’t be the punchline to any sophisticated jokes, but it will be there for a while to come.

Using misrepresented details from an illegally hacked phone conversation to score points is low in my opinion.

I'd rather more attention was drawn to the secretive running of the various Duchies, how many laws any monarch is exempt from, the institution's tax arrangements etc than see more personal criticism of Charles based on his appearance and hacked conversations.

He was still married to Diana whilst involved in "Tampongate".

Yes, the extra-marital affair is being brushed under the carpet.

By the way, Have I Got News To You was v good last evening.

Exactly. It's been a few generations since a 'defender of the faith' married his mistress so they have to capitalise upon the fact that the third involved person is dead to move the timelines around a bit. It's been gradually happening over a few years and more gullible people have fallen for it.

The affair isn't brushed under the carpet.

It's common knowledge that both Charles and Diana were having affairs during their marriage.

There comes a point where people need to get over it. Two people were in a loveless marriage for the convenience of the institution. Both cheated. One has since married the woman he was in love with and, from what we see, they seem to be happy.

A marriage which begins with hand engraved cufflinks bearing the initials of the man and his mistress. I doubt there was a break. Tampongate reveals that they had been actively in the throes of lust for quite some time. That is not reconciliation banter.

@LolaSmiles shows what a toxic family and institution it is with forced marriages. You think they’ve moved on as an institution? Laughable when we’re about to see a demented waste of our money show today.

Phone hacking is wrong but sometimes, the result which it throws up is helpful towards understanding intent and motives of people whose reputations are protected behind strong walls of experts and agents. It showed Charles up to be an absolute weasel. He was trying to develop a narrative that Diana was paranoid and imagining his affair. It proved to the world that it was hardly imaginary.

Phone hacking is wrong

Phone hacking is illegal. Are you saying he deserves to be the victim of a crime?

Is it? Everyone knows Charles committed adultery with Camilla. But does that mean they deserve to be victims of a crime?

He doesn’t deserve but you can’t re-write history by not talking about it.

I thought monarchists were pretty hot on accepting history as it was, warts and all?

How would it be rewriting history? It happened, the information is out there, everyone knows about it. That doesn’t mean people have to use it as the punchline for jokes, which is what the thread was about.

Do they? I have no idea. I’m a republican. I think the monarchy should be abolished, and the coronation is a colossal waste of public funds. I think the royal family themselves are massively flawed individuals and behave appallingly.
I still don’t think information that is in the public domain due to illegal activity should be used to ridicule someone, whoever that person is.

@DanceMonster i refer you to my previous posts.

@LolaSmilesshows what a toxic family and institution it is with forced marriages.
You think they’ve moved on as an institution? Laughable when we’re about to see a demented waste of our money show today

I'm a republican who believes that church and state should be separated.
The institution seems like it's harmful to many in it and it focuses more on preserving the firm than allowing individuals within it to be healthy, happy individuals.

Charles and Diana separated in the early 90s, were divorced in 1996. We're now in 2023. Charles and Camilla appear to have found happiness with each other. It's strange to me that people are still bleating on 'but they had an affair!' .

I’ve read them. I don’t agree with you though.

Yes this. I don't think it's defending him or the monarchy to suggest this was a terrible violation of privacy, and those who bring it up and keep resurfacing it are cruel and pathetic. Interestingly a lot were H&M supporters who took great joy in posting about it all over twitter, whilst in the next breath saying how disgraceful the media were for being intrusive to them. Hypocrites much.

Well, I’m not on Twitter and it was the OP who re-surfaced this on here. I’m just saying it’s still there and you can’t make it go away. It’s not nice, it’s not PC, it’s not sophisticated, but it’s fucking history. Get over it.

And I’m saying yes it’s there, no it’s not going away, but making jokes about information that is only in the public domain as Charles and Camilla were the victims of a crime is lazy and tasteless. There is so much to criticise them for that ‘hahaha tampongate’ is just ridiculous. Why do you think being aware of something means making jokes about it?
Most people are rightly outraged at the phone hacking scandal. It was a gross invasion of privacy. It seems odd to me that we should feel sorry for some victims of the crime, but not the ones we don’t like?

@DanceMonster i refer you back to what I wrote. You said you’d read it but are misinterpreting it. I can’t get over this ground again. I’m bored of talking Tampongate on my day off.

I’m not misinterpreting your posts. They are hardly complex or difficult to understand. I just don’t agree with you, hard as you may find that to believe. Yes the information is in the public domain. Yes it’s a part of history. But the OP, that we are discussing, is about making jokes about information that is in the public domain as the result of a crime.
Anyway, I’m bored of discussing it too. Enjoy the coronation 😉

You don't want the public who have turned up, as well as all the visiting Heads of State to be protected?

All big events cost money for security. Unfortunately it's now a fact of modern life.