Page 3 | Using t*mpongate as an insult

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tigger2022 · 05/05/2023 18:23

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:05

The calls have been in the public domain for over 30 years now, so trying to brush them under the carpet might be morally laudable, but it's also completely pointless.

I think there’s a difference between pretending it never happened vs accepting they were victims of a crime (and that it’s not nice when people use them being violated even 30 years ago as a cheap dunk)

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Inkanta · 05/05/2023 18:24

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:13

I struggle to sympathise with Charles. If he'd had the low-key coronation he originally talked about, he might not have stirred up so much ill-feeling. I can't really blame people for bringing this up when most of us are struggling with the cost of living while he spends £100 million + on gold-embroidered robes, air-conditioned carriages and holy oil. That feels like a crime in itself, morally.

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Yes - I think the British people go with it if they understand it and see the logic. It seems to have gone over the top! And words being spoken about being divine is a kicker for me. Is Camilla divine too. Doesn't make sense.

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:26

PollyPeptide · 05/05/2023 18:23

while he spends £100 million + on gold-embroidered robes, air-conditioned carriages and holy oil. That feels like a crime in itself, morally.

Total bunkum being regurgitated as usual.
He's not spending anything on new robes. He's wearing his grandfathers.
He's not spending any money on the carriage - it already exists.
The Holy oil is just olive oil.
🙄

He's had the robe re-embroidered, the carriage refurbished and the olive oil wasn't bought at his local Tesco, he's had it shipped over from Jerusalem. Whatever the breakdown of the costs, he did not need to spend £100 million on a coronation.

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 18:26

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:13

I struggle to sympathise with Charles. If he'd had the low-key coronation he originally talked about, he might not have stirred up so much ill-feeling. I can't really blame people for bringing this up when most of us are struggling with the cost of living while he spends £100 million + on gold-embroidered robes, air-conditioned carriages and holy oil. That feels like a crime in itself, morally.

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They’re separate things though. I absolutely think Charles should be criticised and the monarchy abolished. I think the whole coronation charade in these times is hideously out of touch. I don’t have any ‘sympathy’ for him as a person at all. I just think there are so many things he can and should be criticised for, that using information obtained as a result of a crime is unnecessary and tasteless, and I would think the same whoever it was. Just because I have nothing but contempt for the man and the institution, doesn’t mean I think that I think he’s exempt from the general principles of consideration in terms of a crime committed against him. If other people want to stoop to that then that’s up to them, but it’s not for me.

SequinsandStilettos · 05/05/2023 18:28

Worst phone sex ever and even worse Put the phone down. You. No, you.
but I'm sure my own attempts at phone flirting are just as cringeworthy in print and good for them for braving it out and seemingly still being happy all these years later.

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tigger2022 · 05/05/2023 18:29

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 18:26

They’re separate things though. I absolutely think Charles should be criticised and the monarchy abolished. I think the whole coronation charade in these times is hideously out of touch. I don’t have any ‘sympathy’ for him as a person at all. I just think there are so many things he can and should be criticised for, that using information obtained as a result of a crime is unnecessary and tasteless, and I would think the same whoever it was. Just because I have nothing but contempt for the man and the institution, doesn’t mean I think that I think he’s exempt from the general principles of consideration in terms of a crime committed against him. If other people want to stoop to that then that’s up to them, but it’s not for me.

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Yes this is a more eloquent version of what I was getting at 😂

Regardless of his role, the fairness of the constitution, the cost, his conduct, anything else… it just seems way way way below the belt.

I also feel a lot more sorry for Camilla.

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polkadotdalmation · 05/05/2023 18:33

I think this was a hacked or leaked private conversation between two people who loved each other and were probably some private, silly joke (like normal couples have their little private jokes). Now Harry has resurrected something that was slipping back (thankfully) into the mists of time and being forgotten, disregarding how this would humiliate his father. I wasn't aware of this and wondered why it was being mentioned, but now I know, my opinion of Harry is in the sewer. I didn't think it could be lower, but this level of self interest and vindictiveness is awful. He really is a little shit.

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:34

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 18:26

They’re separate things though. I absolutely think Charles should be criticised and the monarchy abolished. I think the whole coronation charade in these times is hideously out of touch. I don’t have any ‘sympathy’ for him as a person at all. I just think there are so many things he can and should be criticised for, that using information obtained as a result of a crime is unnecessary and tasteless, and I would think the same whoever it was. Just because I have nothing but contempt for the man and the institution, doesn’t mean I think that I think he’s exempt from the general principles of consideration in terms of a crime committed against him. If other people want to stoop to that then that’s up to them, but it’s not for me.

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I see it rather more as a paradox - he didn't deserve the original hacking and publicity, but he does deserve the ridicule now.

Rather like the wealth of the royal family being in part derived from historical slavery - Charles was not responsible for the past wrong but he is happy to benefit from it now.

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 18:37

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:34

I see it rather more as a paradox - he didn't deserve the original hacking and publicity, but he does deserve the ridicule now.

Rather like the wealth of the royal family being in part derived from historical slavery - Charles was not responsible for the past wrong but he is happy to benefit from it now.

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Maybe I see it differently as I work with victims of crime. There are many victims of crime who have done wrong themselves, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be victims.
People are rightfully outraged in general about the whole phone hacking scandal. Charles and Camilla were victims of that too. There is plenty to criticise them for, without bringing this into it.

SequinsandStilettos · 05/05/2023 18:40

Nah, it goes along with and cements his premise that the tabloids had no morals as to what they printed. Everyone of a certain age remembers or misremembers Tampongate. I could have sworn a headline said he wanted to be a tampon but as above and as pp have pointed out, it was not the case at all - just a quirky sense of humour.
Also this was all dragged back of late by being in The Crown. Cannot blame Harry for that.

SequinsandStilettos · 05/05/2023 18:41

Sorry, that was to polka.

PollyPeptide · 05/05/2023 18:42

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:26

He's had the robe re-embroidered, the carriage refurbished and the olive oil wasn't bought at his local Tesco, he's had it shipped over from Jerusalem. Whatever the breakdown of the costs, he did not need to spend £100 million on a coronation.

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I can find no stories about the either the robe being embroidered or the carriage being refurbished. The olive oil was consecrated in Jerusalem and sent to the UK. 🙄 We're talking a few quid.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/05/2023 18:43

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 17:26

Jonathan Dimbleby observed in his (authorised) biography of Charles (1994) that tampongate would be remembered at all the key moments in Charles's life, including his coronation. How right he was!

You sound positively gleeful, how awful to be revelling in a crime committed against someone.

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:48

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/05/2023 18:43

You sound positively gleeful, how awful to be revelling in a crime committed against someone.

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I have no sympathy for him. He could have avoided all this with a low key event but chose instead to have an elaborate one, including asking the pubic to swear allegiance to him. Anyone who asks other humans to swear allegiance to them deserves what they get.

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:48

I have no sympathy for him. He could have avoided all this with a low key event but chose instead to have an elaborate one, including asking the pubic to swear allegiance to him. Anyone who asks other humans to swear allegiance to them deserves what they get.

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Public, not 'pubic'.

WeWereInParis · 05/05/2023 18:52

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 15:15

I actually agree. They were the victims of a crime and I think it’s pretty tasteless to refer to it as a joke. It’s not the fact that it’s about tampons, joking about anything that was illegally leaked from a private conversation is a shitty thing to do. And I’m a massive republican who thinks the monarchy is a revolting institution, so my opinions on it have nothing to do with the people themselves.

I agree with this - and am also a republican. If a celebrity has naked pictures hacked or leaked for example, certainly recently more and more the focus has been shifting towards how wrong the behaviour of the hacker/leaker was, not judging the person for taking the pictures etc in the first place. I very much agree with that attitude and think it applies (or should apply) to phone hacking as well.

Charley50 · 05/05/2023 18:53

Yes I'm uncomfortable with it. We all say stupid things to people we are close to when we think no one is listening. They were hacked. Let it go media!

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/05/2023 18:57

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 18:48

I have no sympathy for him. He could have avoided all this with a low key event but chose instead to have an elaborate one, including asking the pubic to swear allegiance to him. Anyone who asks other humans to swear allegiance to them deserves what they get.

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Wow, how vicious, he deserves to be a victim of a crime because a state occasion costs the state money, and don’t make me laugh with all your faux this could have been avoided rubbish you would have reacted the same if the coronation was at the local village hall, you would have complained that it should have been in a tent, you are rubbing your hands in glee, very unedifying.

WeWereInParis · 05/05/2023 18:59

It had been forgotten about for about 20 years. Harry brought it up again in court.

No it hadn't. I just checked the date and I was less than a year old when it happened, but I had heard about it. And then recently it was introduced to a whole new set of people when it was shown in The Crown as well.
I think it also gets mentioned on about half the threads on here involving Charles and/or Camilla. I don't know the context in which Harry mentioned it, but it certainly wasn't some long forgotten comment.

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 19:07

LadyVictoriaSponge · 05/05/2023 18:57

Wow, how vicious, he deserves to be a victim of a crime because a state occasion costs the state money, and don’t make me laugh with all your faux this could have been avoided rubbish you would have reacted the same if the coronation was at the local village hall, you would have complained that it should have been in a tent, you are rubbing your hands in glee, very unedifying.

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Fundamentally, it shouldn't be happening at all, even it was taking place in a tent.

DanceMonster · 05/05/2023 19:08

CoronationWombleSandwiches · 05/05/2023 19:07

Fundamentally, it shouldn't be happening at all, even it was taking place in a tent.

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No it shouldn’t, I completely agree. That has nothing to do with mocking him for things said when his phone was illegally hacked though.

HauntedPencil · 05/05/2023 19:10

Op didn't say it was about the word tampon, clearly about the invasion of privacy. Some other posters should grow up, so tedious seeing people deliberately misconstruing posts to have a scrap.

LadyWithLapdog · 05/05/2023 19:24

Nobody’s forgotten tampongate. My teen DC know about it and they don’t watch The Crown.

We purport to know stuff about the royals from hundreds of years ago. This will never die.

FurAndFeathers · 05/05/2023 19:28

tigger2022 · 05/05/2023 14:48

Ok I’m probably going to get piled on but whatever…

Does anyone feel a bit uncomfortable about the way some people casually drop in references from Camilla/Charles’s leaked telephone conversation as a drive-by insult? Or casually use it as a cruel nickname for them or something?

Having that leaked was such a violation, and when it’s referenced so callously to try and humiliate them it feels as ick to me as if people were quoting from leaked revenge porn or something.

I find it bizarre that a grown adult is too squeamish to type the word ‘tampon’

yes phone hacking is a shitty crime - everyone should have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a personal conversation

caringcarer · 05/05/2023 19:30

polkadotdalmation · 05/05/2023 18:33

I think this was a hacked or leaked private conversation between two people who loved each other and were probably some private, silly joke (like normal couples have their little private jokes). Now Harry has resurrected something that was slipping back (thankfully) into the mists of time and being forgotten, disregarding how this would humiliate his father. I wasn't aware of this and wondered why it was being mentioned, but now I know, my opinion of Harry is in the sewer. I didn't think it could be lower, but this level of self interest and vindictiveness is awful. He really is a little shit.

Exactly. If he was my kid I'd be so ashamed of him.