The markel family interview

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Anyone know how/where I can watch it? :) I think it's on today ....

On Netflix the Brexit vote was brought out as an allegation that the country was racist to vote for Brexit. I watched it along with comments about the commonwealth being a british empire 2. That offends me, but apparently I'm not allowed to be offended

It’s best avoided. The reason being that although the term is meant to disparage poor whites, it simultaneously demeans other races by maintaining that there is something about being white that is superior to other racial groups. This is why the modifier “trash” is used. There’s no ‘black trash’ or ‘Asian trash’ presumably, because for most of American history (where the term comes from) those people were assumed by those in power to be poor, uneducated and criminal.

A good white friend of mine from the US South once challenged me on its use many years ago and the underpinnings for how it could appear racist if I used it (and it also challenged my classism - phew that was a day) and also how the term was also a negative against people of colour.

Please do not misquote me. I said "trashy white Markles who are using blackface, blackmail etc".

A white man is using blackface to insult his mixed-race sister. Dies that not bother you?

A trashy white man has said his stepmother should have swallowed the night his sister was conceived. What is that if not trashy?

Do you have any comment about the use of blackface, or his conspiracy theories, or his trashy language? ? No?

Agree. Toxic/racist family members are not necessary for a superior childhood experience. Otherwise, you get grandparents with faces like slapped arses spoiling your childhood birthday photos because they clearly weren't feeling it 😂My dad would always stand them in the corner so they would be easier to crop out later on.

Brexit does have a huge racist aspect to it. UKIP has a huge racist aspect to it. Nigel Farage was seen as the leader of the leave campaign and utilised nazi propaganda.

Not all people who voted to leave are racist. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the huge anti-immigration lies used by certain campaigners, were racist. Pretending there was no racial aspect to brexit is naive or an outright lie.

@skullbabe That does make sense. White trash assumes that whites are overall superior, and that these individuals fall into the category of trash because they fall well beneath this standard, into the realms of poc. Never thought in those terms. Its still a dreadful slur on anyone as are all racial slurs.

Are you denying the commonwealth? I'm confused by what you're saying that you're offended by? Why do you think many former commonwealth countries have sought independence?

@kirinm I'm not arguing about whether brexit was racially motivated, simply stating the the netflix series used brexit as an excuse to label the counry racist (me included).

I agree. It’s actually quite chilling.

@kirinm I think your pushing against an open door here. I think certain elements of brexit were racially motivated, but not the major issue. I think the commonwealth should be maintained only as a trading agreement benefitting all sides. I think all commonwealth countries should be independent.

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I don't understand what they've said about the commonwealth offended you though? And you can have an opinion on it of course but ultimately those opinions that matter are those countries that were forced to be part of the commonwealth - most of whom don't want to be.

i did. that must have been fag break time lol

You are confusing the Commonwealth with the overseas realms that are constitutionally linked to the UK though having the same head of state as the monarch.

Most Commonwealth countries ARE independent !

Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania, Nigeria, India, Pakistan ... these are all independent countries that are members of the Commonwealth, with their own heads of states, not the monarch.

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica (for the present) etc are part of the overseas realms.

There are racist elements in this country . We've just had a review of the met police who were found to be institutionally racist and misogynistic. The Sussexes received death threats from far right groups.Jim Davidson is still doing shows and he is racist.

I know people with racist views in my own family. Netflix raised a good point.

But Meghan did not say the whole country is racist, that is a lie and yet you complained that Meghan has a problem with the truth.

How are independent countries 'forced' to be part of the Commonwealth? Any country is free to leave.

It's like witch trials. Outspoken woman who doesn't know her place gets lynched. I hope we don't leave the ECHR because I'd be worried what would happen to women in this country.

There are racist elements in every country in the world. Ridiculous for anyone to say otherwise. Doesn't make it right.

As for the Commonwealth, overseas territories and so on, I hope they all seek and obtain independence as soon as possible. Hopefully mutually agreed trade arrangements would be the only basis for a relationship. Absolutely no point in the UK monarchy trying to maintain a system that was outdated 50 years ago.

I think this is a confusion between the overseas realms and the Commonwealth.

What Afua Hirsch meant by the Commonwealth being Empire 2.0 is that there is no choice but to have the monarch, who was head of the British Empire, as head of this "voluntary body". It is the only international organisation whose head is not elected by its members, but is chosen based on who sits on the UK throne.

It's silly and anachronistic, but at the end of the day, it is voluntary, so there is no compulsion in the way that there is for the overseas realms.

I suspect there will be changes there too. There were grumbles when Charles took over, and there are moves to see the Commonwealth adopt decision making by voting, which have been resisted by the UK because it would mean the "Western" countries would always be in the minority.

Well remember @Rockybooboo , She also didn't say the RF were racist, according to Harry, that was the press. What she does with her word salad is to conflate one issue with another to give the impression that is the truth. eg brexit=racism.

Have to work now so I can't respond further. xx

Thanks @skullbabe for your informative post, I appreciate it.😊

It's an anachronism, and any country that find the disadvantages outweigh the advantages will no doubt leave. No-one is 'forced' to belong.

Just as no country is 'forced' to be an 'overseas realm'. Democratic choice, and probably more and more will leave. No problem.

No-one is 'forced' to belong.

I am, so is my mother and the rest of my whanau, hapu and iwi.

Maori are forced, any vote today would have us outnumbered. We are a minority in our own country due to colonisation, not just the fact that half of our population died due to disease brought on British ships… but actual policy that encouraged assimilation and a ‘breeding out of the native race’ so we would be outnumbered and replaced. Similar thing happened to Hawaiians, our Polynesian motherland, as the indigenous population is a similar percentage there.

Yes, and conflate 'speculation' about Archie's skin tone with security.

She is an expert at insinuation, which allows her to do the 'but I never said XYZ' while having created the suggestion.

I used to work with someone like that - it was a nightmare as she was an expert in making others look bad for innocuous comments by presenting the comment alongside another issue. So the person involved couldn't deny the comment, but trying to explain the context made them look as if they were trying to down play it. It destroyed the team as no-one could trust each other. Eventually the managers got wise to the manipulation, but by then the damage was done, and most people moved on.

Well, democracy is majority rule.

I don't support the current UK government on any number of issues and didn't vote for them.