The markel family interview

[IamSuperTired]

Anyone know how/where I can watch it? :) I think it's on today ....

It’s this statement that tells me that you really don’t understand what people are saying to you. Anyway - hopefully you’ll take some time to think.

@skullbabe

Welcome to a surreal universe where posters who have experienced racism are discounted and mocked while a white woman who claims to have a black daughter and spends a lot time discounting and minimising racism is supported and cheered loudly, including by people who spread conspiracy theories about Doria.

It is certainly revealing.

By interracial adoption of course - if you think that this conversation is about stopping interracial adoption, you’re mistaken.

@MrsMaxDeWinter yes exactly!

It’s certainly topsy turvy.

I wonder if Archie and Lilibet will judge their parents for isolating them from their wider families.

Oh don't say that you'll have a trillion posts saying how awful to criticise dc, even though you aren't.

They haven't explicitly done this. they have isolated themselves and by extension, the children are also isolated because they are too young to want to decide for themselves. It is true to say that this situation will make it less likely that they will seek out their estranged relatives because that's just how it is. When you have a mix of toxic energy, it rarely cancels itself out. you end up with an even bigger toxic mess so NC is often better early on rather than when it explodes into something worse and produces the same end result (going NC).

By interracial adoption of course - if you think that this conversation is about stopping interracial adoption, you’re mistaken.

Well, the way to have a conversation about interracial adoption is not to pile in in one particular poster who is an interracial adopter and make personal comments like ‘may God look after your daughter’ ‘poor girl’ ‘I hope she turns out ok having a mother like you’ ‘I’ll be praying for her’. Nasty.

No one attacked @mixedrecycling daughter. It was more along the lines of emphasising with the daughter being raised by @mixedrecycling

I make no comment on what was said beyond saying that there was no attack on a child.

I do not get why people cannot appreciate why @mixedrecycling may be feeling hurt and offended? Perhaps I feel sympathy towards her because I have a white mother who knew what it felt like to be othered in all directions.

Again why bring the kids into it at all? Its vile to use them to score points?

Nasty

It’s also nasty to mock and laugh at black posters addressing racism. It’s concerning when this comes from a white woman who adopted a black child. A woman who on another thread made comments wondering about my own children and how I might raise them, because of their interests in the industry Meghan and my child are in, which was called meaningless.

The Vanessa Feltz article is good particularly “Keep your own counsel, and refrain from confiding private family matters to TV presenters – whether they cough up substantial wads of cash or not. Start working on the real stuff.”

Good advice to everyone involved.

As I’ve said, many didn’t see the comments and I don’t comment on things I haven’t seen so no idea how I could respond to them. Mixed raises her child in almost every thread as a means of minimising actual black posters comments when they’re discussing racism. Nobody on her side of the debate ever seems to care if it hurts us to be laughed at while we discuss our experiences of or opinions on racism, or to have a white woman constantly use her black child as a way to dismiss, minimise or critique our words on racism she herself has never experienced. Why would black posters prioritise her feelings on racism over our own and each others?

Her father could not attend the wedding as he had a heart attack. It seems a shame she cannot take the children to see him and her half siblings even if it is through gritted teeth. Most families can manage that. Same goes for taking the children to see King Charles. These 2 grandfathers may not be around too much longer and I doubt children under the age of 5 are likely to be damaged by meeting them and it would really help the public see Harry and MM in a better light.

Exactly

That's stretching credulity.

Let's not play dumb here. Meghan may not be the evil, horrible person that her detractors/haters say she is but she isnt some innocent waif either who was forced by the royal family into inviting Hollywood celebrities that she didn't know over her own family members she claims to be close to and haven't ever said or done anything to embarrass her.

There is no way that the royal family would have told Meghan to invite Oprah, and Amal and George Clooney over her niece or her mother’s side of the family.

Yes, it would have benefited Meghan to have invited Samantha’s daughter, it would have benefited her to have invited her mother’s side of the family (who have never said anything against her).

But imo, Meghan, like a typical Hollywood celebrity/influencer, wanted to network and build relationships with celebrities she previously didn't have access to. If we were to see her not as this evil or innocent being, but as someone like the Kardashians, or goop, or Christine tiegen or hilaria Baldwin, then it makes perfect sense. That's who she is.

@Blip

I wonder if Archie and Lilibet will judge their parents for isolating them from their wider families.

Archie and Lili are being raised by their mother and father, in a loving family unit. They have their grandmother in there life, along with Spencer family godparents who love them, and friends like Lili's godfather Tyler Perry who have become part of their wider family. I imagine that when the time comes, their parents will explain the decisions they took.

I don't see the children judging their parents for keeping them away from a grandfather who went to the press to blackmail their mother into seeing them (while ignoring his other grandchildren). I don't see their kids judging them for keeping them away from an uncle who said their grandmother "should have swallowed" the night their father was conceived, or an aunt who wrote in multiple social media posts that their mother faked their births.

And I don't see them judging their parents for not raising them in an institution that is so fearful of the media that they brief against each other as a matter of course.

In fact, if the Harry and Meghan had not left the UK, their kids would have been compared unfavourably with the Wales kids, and would have been the next generation of fodder for the tabloid press.

There would have been talk of their "exotic DNA" and any missteps would have been attributed to the "bad blood" from Meghan, seeing how she was hailed as "gangster royalty" who was related to Jack the Ripper, consorted with terrorists, caused murders by eating avocados and attempted to murder a blood princess with her choice of flowers.

The kids will be just fine.

A woman who on another thread made comments wondering about my own children and how I might raise them, because of their interests in the industry Meghan and my child are in, which was called meaningless.

I read that and remember it as my DD is also heavily involved in the industry. I didn’t take offence because I could see why, if you are not experienced or closely involved in said industry then you might come to that particular poster’s conclusion. I know (as you probably do too) differently from my involvement but it’s not something I would be particularly offended about or spend a lot of time arguing over but may be I have a thick skin😁.

Something that's brought up on this thread to criticise Meghan Markle is that
she sent a letter to Charles two years ago about what was said on OW, and that in the letter Meghan said it was not racism but unconscious bias that was displayed by the RF member.

Where is this letter? And how we do know what's in it?

I've looked on the internet but can't find the letter, but saw that there's a Telegraph? article saying there is a letter according to a 'source'

I really doubt that she sees herself as any woman in the sense in which she would have done before she adopted and raised a black child. Certainly in SA, she would have felt othered by the whites almost immediately. Society doesn't allow white people to retain that privilege. She may be seen as white when she goes out alone but something else when she is accompanied by her DD. I think her posts conveyed that she felt enough solidarity with poc to speak honestly and openly about her experiences and now feels rejected and driven away.

I dislike MM and PH intensely. I think they are juvenile, entitled and have a loose relationship with the truth. But I agree 100% with @tatalan on this. Thomas Markle's youtube channel is despicable.

@MrsMaxDeWinter hopefully the kids will be "just fine" as you say.

They are however being raised in a very weird environment so who can say.

I'm sure they will have many questions for their parents in due course. Maybe they will be happy with the answers, maybe not, we really don't know.