The markel family interview

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Anyone know how/where I can watch it? :) I think it's on today ....

I find the level of hatred towatds Meghan really scary.

Well, the level of hatred from @tatalan towards me was off the scale this evening!

I'm grateful to @polkadotdalmation for her support.

And would happily allow @tatalan's comment to remain, to be evidence of their abuse

I've had plenty of abuse, personal attacks and name calling from the whole Sussex fan club. Endless baiting and trying to get a reaction from me, as you can see down below, yet more of it. They are just pathetic and there's clearly an agenda. I've had loads of their posts deleted for personal attacks. In fact Mumsnet even had to put up a post to tell them to lay off. At one point MN were going though the threads deleting posts before I even reported them!

Happily we've just had a parenting assessment through the Adoption Support Fund - done by a (black) specialist in trans-racial adoption. Their conclusion is that DD has a secure attachment to me, and I am meeting her needs for identity, even though I am white - despite @tatalan 's claims

Sadly that doesn't surprise me.

I would like @tatalan 's comments to remain as evidence

Please @MNHQ restore @tatalan 's posts. They were vile, and I am happy for them to be seen for what they are

They like them deleted because they can hide how vile they are, and deny it at a later date.

Of course you are, you're her mother. She's a person, not a skin tone. She's your daughter and you're her mother. Anyone doubting a mother child relationship and making it a political football should be ashamed.

Why are you scared? That's not right. Mumsnet should be a safe place for people posting. Which posts are scaring you? Maybe we can get people to explain what they meant because I don't think people hate the royal family or the markle family, as odd as they all are. So maybe there's been a misunderstanding?

I've seen quite a few female celebrities hounded to their deaths now. These women are not perfect but no one is. Paula Yates, Amy Winehouse, Caroline Flack are examples .Men can get away with much more. Boris Johnson lied in parliament, cheated on his wife, doesn't know all of his children, had parties during lockdown, threatened to punch someone. Two of Meghan 's main detractors Jeremy Clarkson have pretty shady past. They might get punished like JC for punching a colleague but he's soon forgiven.
Meghan has only appeared once in public this year, she is easy to ignore. She's not coming to the Coronation so she's not in anyone's face but there is still bitchy comments every day even threats Of violence and wishes for her to marriage to end or other awful things to happen to her.

No his grandfather was not dying at the time of the interview. And yes William should have acknowledged his family’s racism regardless.

But I get it - according to you old people who may be unwell should not be held to account just in case they are about to die. Interesting.

Like I said - different stokes for different folks. My experience was different.

Every single thread ends up with people being attacked as racist.

I wonder why it keeps happening to you. So wierd.

Yes, they said it wasn't the grandparents. But Phillip has uttered some very racist opinions in the past. And that attitude could have been handed down/adopted by anyone else in the family. Harry himself, as many have pointed out, has done and said racist things in the past. He did not become racist on his own.
But he has educated himself about it. He probably still has quite a bit to unlearn.

We are products of the environment we grow up in and live in. It takes a lot to unlearn what was accepted unthinkingly as a child. I think learning how not to be a racist probably takes a life time. I grew up in a racist environment, and yet now one ever uttered an obvious racial slur. It was all very polite and seemed quite considerate and kind but underneath it was different. It was about expectations, privilege and the idea that all people experience the society in which you live in exactly the same way. Which is bullshit of course.

'no one ever' not 'now one ever'

There is a phenomenon called 'blackfishing" that is fairly common on social media. A form of online catfishing, it is when people who are not black pretend to be black or black adjacent, to have black husbands and children etc in order to justify saying things that are essentially racist and anti-black.

It is common enough to make people wary.

So when someone sneers about "warriors against racism", and is on thread after thread minimising racism while claiming to be raising a black child, it naturally sets off alarms. Because the instinct if you have a black child is to fight racism, not sneer at those addressing it.

When that person acknowledges as their biggest supporter a poster who is known for troubling and untruthful posts about Meghan's mother, and who breezily says tone deaf things reducing race to just "skin colour", while claiming she is offended because Meghan called her racist, it gets murkier.

My experience with Mumsnet is that some posters generally get really agitated about being called out for the racist things they say. And they are very quick to see what they claim to be racism against them while minimising racism faced by black people.

In The Cut interview she didn't strike me as unlikable, but I did think at times she sounded a bit silly and certainly California woo. At worst she seemed somewhat pretentious about some things. I also know that The Cut loves doing this style of interview and I love reading them. The Marshmallow house gave me a laugh.

I don't have to like everything about a person to defend them. I don't even have to like them much at all. But if they have been treated unfairly and I think everyone surely can see the tabloid media and social media have treated her unfairly, and so overwhelmingly then I'm going to defend them. I do like Meghan, as I like Harry and also Kate. I don't know them very well obviously. They are all sure to be imperfect humans, as we all are. But I do like hearing about them. Meghan and Kate are so glamorous. (I'll be watching the coronation for the glamour and pageantry. It's rare to see any outfit outdo an Archbishop's regalia. The rest leaves me cold)

Megan has definitely experienced both racism and misogyny from tabloids and social media. I don't think anyone in the RF actually voiced a racist slur (not even Phillip in this instance), but I think it's entirely possible things were said about Archie's possible skin colour and hair. And while some people say, 'but we do this all the time in our family, etc.' Some people are also offended by it -- microagressions are offensive. This was not Meghan's family either. It was the one she married into.

I didn't mean to use strike out in the above post. I"m having a day.

She's a person, not a skin tone.

Objectively this is true however people of colour walk through the world where people very much see their colour and have to deal with the assumptions some people make on the basis of their colour. It’s important to arm your children with the knowledge to deal with this and to understand it if and when it happens. My son is such a gentle soul - has been since he was a baby - and now as a pre-teen I cannot be with him always to protect from people who only see his colour and not my sweet little boy with his gangly arms and legs who would give his right arm to help any animal in distress. So I arm him - always take the receipt, always be unfailingly polite, don’t wear your cap in certain places.

Anyway - most of us here are mothers and I’m sure we’re all doing the best we can. Just thought to add a little perspective.

Thankyou @MrsMaxDeWinter .

I did not know what 'blackfishing' was. I'm clear now.

My experience with Mumsnet is that some posters generally get really agitated about being called out for the racist things they say. And they are very quick to see what they claim to be racism against them while minimising racism faced by black people.

I've noticed that.

I want to second everything you’ve just said, totally agree.

The Cut interview was not dissimilar to the painstakingly cultivated Tig blog in terms of the way Meghan wished to project herself. I am not surprised that she was enthusiastic about it because it seemed guaranteed to generate a lot of positive PR.

It must be an uneasy undertaking to try to reconcile her ordinary childhood with the moneyed philanthropist image she is trying to cultivate since she married Harry.

She cut out the argumentative, embarrassing Markles as a way of achieving this quickly (as many would). However, they never went away as she expected. Their regular public reminders remind everyone of where she came from and draw attention to her likely insecurities about being called out as fake.

She cut out the argumentative, embarrassing Markles

Racist. She cut out the racist Markles.

My experience with Mumsnet is that some posters generally get really agitated about being called out for the racist things they say. And they are very quick to see what they claim to be racism against them while minimising racism faced by black people.

Unfortunately most people become defensive when people call out bigotry - so this is always going to be a feature. I’ve seen a variety of approaches by many people when it comes to flagging up racism especially in context of the Royal Family - there is no one size fits all but I think they’re all effective in their own way. I think it’s important to take time out when it gets too much. Like a previous poster said - I sometimes get frightened that I share space with people who hold such awful views (and they don’t realise how they tell on themselves) because I worry about the future for my family but I try because I want to make it better for them. Anyway - we should get back to discussing the interview and Thomas.

Yes, the siblings definitely. I'm still on the fence regarding Thomas but he is clearly easily led by well, everyone, which ultimately amounts to the same thing. There was a moment during the cookout when they were making bad jokes among themselves about what was on the barbeque when Thomas' mask of innocence completely slipped.