Part 2: The Press & The Royals a discussion

[Whaeanui]

Following on from this thread: Part 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4786923-the-press-the-royals-a-discussion?page=1

As we know, the press often manufacture stories to create divisions between the women in the family, more often than the men. They have also hacked private communications, with cases ongoing. The public seem to feed off this and none of the family get treated very well except the monarch-although not always.

For discussion: do we think it is possible for the royal family to stay relevant and in the publics mind without their unhealthy relationship with the media, and how can they achieve that? How will previous and current legal proceedings alter the relationship?
Please do not intentionally derail this thread by discussing your personal dislike of particular family members or if they deserve it. I would really like to continue this discussion on how the royal family and the press interact, as above.

@LivelyBlake

Meghan earning a living as an actress for 10 years to the amount of millions is really not the same as playing the piano to Grade 3 level and playing for less than a minute, pre-recorded, but sure, if it makes you happy to think that go for it.

By the way, William was strongly defended here for not learning his one line in the Abbey, the argument being he didn't want to mess it up so used a cue card. So of course Kate did the same with her two short performances, leaving no room for mistakes!

Just found an interesting letter that Brian Cathcart, co founder of Hacked Off sent to The Guardian in response to a piece by Simon Jenkins on the daily Mail trial, is hacking yesterdays news? It’s a sentiment I see expressed here and there, a decent rebuttal to that is worth reading.
https://hackinginquiry.org/response-to-simon-jenkins-courts-are-now-the-only-way-to-get-to-the-truth/

Excellent riposte @Whaeanui

That Doreen Lawrence is involved in the Mail case is something that many people want to ignore isn't it?

It's just easier to focus on Harry and the other "celebrities."

Well done to Doreen, it can't be easy for her to be part of it but just as she fought for justice for Stephen, she is willing to fight for justice here too.

Meghan earning a living as an actress for 10 years to the amount of millions is really not the same as playing the piano to Grade 3 level and playing for less than a minute, pre-recorded, but sure, if it makes you happy to think that go for it
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Who the hell thought that getting Omid Scobie on the stand was a good idea?

First of all, he has lied in court in the past.
Secondly, he said in today's testimony that he's never socialised with Harry yet, in his book, Finding Freedom, he said that he had drinks with him and talked how he wanted to be a normal guy

Well this thread is about the Royals and the press, isn't it?

Regarding Harry, does anyone know who selected the sample cases (4 I believe) that the judge is looking at?

I think it’s 33 isn’t it? The judge selected them previously.

I can’t normally access the Telegraph but somehow I am and this is todays proceedings summarised there:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/05/15/prince-harry-phone-hacking-high-court-trial-omid-scobie/

I didn't denigrate her, I said she was talented and successful. It wasn't me who brought up Meryl Streep initially. She's a good actress, but no, she is not at Meryl Streeps level. Few actresses are.

You criticise others for immediately jumping to defend W&K, bit do the exact same thing for H&M.

Catherine is not a great piano player. Meghan is not an amazingly talented actress. Both have done well with the talents they have.

Both have achieved all of their level of public appeal due to who they married.

My issues with both is what they do with the opportunities that has given them.

@Whaeanui I think 33 is the number of articles at issue in Harry's case.

@Nono22972 when did Omid lie in court? I love that he retorted today that being part of this case would actually make his life harder not easier! Nice clap back!

@MrsFinkelstein

On that basis, I can lower my weapons. Peace can resume, and may it ring throughout all the realms!

I can drink to that.

Slainte 🍸

You criticise others for immediately jumping to defend W&K, bit do the exact same thing for H&M.

When did I criticise anyone for jumping to defend W & K? I just said it doesn’t happen from the same posters with Meghan.
She's a good actress, but no, she is not at Meryl Streeps level.

If that’s fine for you to say, then it’s fine for people to do the same about Kates piano playing.

Both have achieved all of their level of public appeal due to who they married.

That’s simply not true. Meghan had success and lots of fans of her own before she met Harry.

Anyhow, I wish all the women including Meghan didn’t have threads ( or articles ) devoted to unnecessary disproportionate critique or meanness about them, what they wear or what they do.

The press really does set the tone for these discussions and I wish it had less influence on us.

All true, so what's the issue?

Not sure how treating one comment on one thread and liking it to another goes?

What next for the Sussexes, is how I feel this will play out. It's a question and I answered it. Simple. Are you saying Harry has had significant jobs since he left the army? A badly written book, affiliation with a dodgy company, embarrassing interviews. Meghan has not acted since and has earned the family millions along with H by selling out the BRF. So what's this got to do with what she's doing now? I've no idea what she's doing now. Catherine is doing some nice piano playing and looking gorgeous. No idea what @Whaeanui's point is?

And as for stalking me on other threads...I'm flattered.

I know you have a keen interest @polkadotdalmation, in how the Sussexes are doing in the US, so this will gladden your heart :)

Funny that the Mirror publishes this today of all days!!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-harry-americas-favourite-royal-29983541

Gladdens my heart 😊

That's great.

America doesn't have a Royal Family and doesn't really recognise Royal titles.

It's a nice bit of PR puff, but it's meaningless.

The irony that it's a Mirror article is not lost on me.

I found the testimony by Dan Evans and Omid Scobie really interesting today. It was interesting to hear Omid’s perspective of the perception of him as H&M’s mouthpiece and how he has to hold off reporting first sometimes to prevent those accusations. Could not make out if he will be questioned further but we will see.

@Inkanta

I expect to see these polls weekly now.

The DM even had a chart on "who did the most Royal engagements over the last 10 years" .. and fulminated that Meghan was bottom, the selfish hussy. How dare she not do any engagements before she even met Harry :)

I see them doing another in 2033, who had the most Royal engagements since the Coronation, just so that they can excoriate H and M for doing not doing a single royal engagement since the Coronation, the selfish fuckers :)

Do they do te same polls in other countries? ie. who is Japan's favourite British royal etc?

"Catherine is not a great piano player. Meghan is not an amazingly talented actress. Both have done well with the talents they have.

Both have achieved all of their level of public appeal due to who they married."

@MrsFinkelstein you have denigrated Megan. She's a professional actress and loved by fans and employers way before she met Harry. She was fighting injustice since she was 11yrs old. Megan is a great actress without a doubt. She didn't simply act in a one one film or episode, she held her own for over a decade in the profession. She had a fan base worldwide and even W&K were fans until they deemed her prospective competition. Kate on the other hand had no fans whatsoever and was a total nobody. Perhaps after she paraded semi-naked to attract Willy college mates noticed her but even then no one was following her like they did Meg's blog, articles, appearances, shows etc.

Kate can't last 10secs playing a simple piece. Yet you belittle Meg's expertise and pull to elevate Kate but claim it is in the interest of fairness or to reach some sort of comparison equilibrium.

Thanks to @MrsMaxDeWinter and @Whaeanui I don;t have to write much more. @MrsMaxDeWinter you very articulately put down my thoughts.👏

the selfish fuckers :)
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An excellent question :)