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Part 2: The Press & The Royals a discussion

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Whaeanui · 27/04/2023 14:52

Following on from this thread: Part 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4786923-the-press-the-royals-a-discussion?page=1

As we know, the press often manufacture stories to create divisions between the women in the family, more often than the men. They have also hacked private communications, with cases ongoing. The public seem to feed off this and none of the family get treated very well except the monarch-although not always.

For discussion: do we think it is possible for the royal family to stay relevant and in the publics mind without their unhealthy relationship with the media, and how can they achieve that? How will previous and current legal proceedings alter the relationship?
Please do not intentionally derail this thread by discussing your personal dislike of particular family members or if they deserve it. I would really like to continue this discussion on how the royal family and the press interact, as above.

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Serenster · 11/05/2023 17:41

Go on... I'm snobby 🤣

Well, I admit I also didn’t like Prince Harry on James Corden. I mean, James Corden…🤣

Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 17:50

I'm not a royalist, I'm not a republican either, to be honest I'm lying on the sofa recovering from a nasty virus so just passing time. I find it fascinating how polarised the two sides are. Neither side inspires me much, neither side annoy me much although I didn't like the nasty things Harry said about the school matron but other than that they are much of a muchness.

Has anyone got access to The Telegraph on line, they have a story about one of the stories Harry is saying was leaked was actually leaked by him in an interview about his 18th birthday. I can't read anymore so don't know if they give details of the interview. To be fair it must be hard to remember everything you said 20 years ago. Fortunately no one has anything I said 20 years ago on film or print so I don't know what I've forgotten.

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 18:05

Court hears Piers Morgan and MGN lawyers “knew full well” that Prince Michael of Kent’s financial information was “obtained unlawfully and that the criminal law had in fact been breached”

Im following an ITV journalists court reporting on MGN case today

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Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 18:07

Barrister is referring to a Daily Mirror front-page story entitled “PRINCE’S BANK CRISIS” which revealed Prince Michael of Kent had unauthorised overdraft of £220,000 and was £2.5m in debt to his bank.
MGN later agreed to publish an apology to Prince Michael and pay his legal costs. It’s claimed Piers Morgan and lawyers knew private financial information had been unlawfully obtained by a PI and therefore had to settle - as couldn’t rely on or reveal ‘source’ of information

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Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 18:13

Is Prince Michael one of the claimants with Prince Harry?

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 18:19

-These historic claims date back to 1999, and Sherborne argues, indicate that the board of MGN would have been aware of unlawful information gathering going on at the publisher’s titles.
They have also been heard in a previous claim against the Mirror Group.

Sherborne argued that Morgan’s initially response to complaints made by lawyers for the senior royals took a “pompous and bombastic approach” and was the “legal equivalent of a two fingers letter”.
This took the form of a letter written by Morgan, which called the suggestion “that this newspaper, or any of its employees, may have been involved in a breach of the criminal law” a “poor and thinly disguised threat that I will not dignify with comment”.
The tone of correspondence eventually changed, after the Kent’s lawyers took matter to the Press Complaints Commission, and claimed that the royal's "bank manager received on 6th January 1999 a hoax telephone call from a person purporting to be our client's accountant and attempting to confirm our client's bank account number, which the same person had apparently succeeded in discovering by making another hoax call, this time purporting to be a customer of Cantium Services Limited, to our client's accountant in Brussels.”

Prince’s Bank ‘Raid’: Serving Express Editor-in-Chief Gary Jones named – Court Docs – Byline Investigates

https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/03/22/royal-exclusive-princes-bank-raid-serving-express-editor-in-chief-gary-jones-named-court-docs/

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Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 18:23

Yahoo news is also doing some court updates if anyone wants to check it out:
“I saw your bank statements” Morgan said to James Hewitt, the court has heard.
The quote was taken from Morgan’s book The Insider and was read out by David Sherborne for the claimants.

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Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 18:30

On the second day of a seven-week trial being heard in London, Mr Sherborne claimed senior figures authorised private investigator payments “in their millions”.

In written arguments, Mr Sherborne claimed “the systemic and widespread use of PIs by MGN journalists to unlawfully obtain private information was authorised at senior levels”, including desk heads, editors, managing editors and senior executives.

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Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 18:43

Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 18:13

Is Prince Michael one of the claimants with Prince Harry?

I've worked it out, all the reports I could find were saying it was Prince Harry and others including ...... But I found a report that Prince Michael had settled out of court so as far as I understand it he can't be a claimant now if he has settled. Is that right?

Roussette · 11/05/2023 19:03

Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 18:43

I've worked it out, all the reports I could find were saying it was Prince Harry and others including ...... But I found a report that Prince Michael had settled out of court so as far as I understand it he can't be a claimant now if he has settled. Is that right?

Same as Prince William, yes

LivelyBlake · 11/05/2023 19:16

The Telegraph about the Mirror's defense claims:

A tabloid story that Prince Harry alleged was obtained unlawfully came from an interview he gave himself to mark his 18th birthday, High Court documents suggest.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/unlawfully-obtained-story-came-from-pa-interview-with-harry/

DuchessOfPort · 11/05/2023 19:44

I can’t read the Teleg article but if that’s true I am most amused. And I still don’t like hacking (even for Prince Andrew) but I am open to any chumpish moments on either side during these proceedings. Whoever performs!

But surely his team would double check these things in order to prevent an own goal like this!

Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 19:46

I wonder if they had to get Prince Michael's permission to use that information. Embarrassing to rehash it all again.

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 19:56

Yeah I can’t access the article and am looking for alternate source, I also read it somewhere earlier I think. He initially included over 100 articles in his claim and the judge narrowed it down.

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LivelyBlake · 11/05/2023 19:56

The Telegraph:

A tabloid story that Prince Harry alleged was obtained unlawfully came from an interview he gave himself to mark his 18th birthday, High Court documents suggest.
The Duke of Sussex is suing the publisher of the Daily Mirror, claiming he was the victim of unlawful information gathering, including phone hacking.
He put forward 140 articles published in the Daily Mirror, the Sunday Mirror and The People between 1996 and 2010, which he alleged were obtained through illegal means.
Of those, 33 have been selected as a sample on which to base his case.
On the shortlist is a story published on September 16, 2002, with the headline, “No Eton Trifles for Harry, 18”.
Interview set up by PR teamMirror Group Newspapers (MGN) argues that the information came from an interview given by the Duke to the Press Association news agency to mark his 18th birthday the previous day.
The publisher suggested in court documents that the interview was arranged by the Duke’s PR advisers as part of an exercise to rehabilitate his image, following his earlier involvement with drug taking.
It was released to the media under embargo to run on September 15, and different versions were published in most newspapers.
A further article, published by the Press Association on that Sunday, the Duke’s birthday, stated that he would be spending the day at Highgrove, his father’s Gloucestershire home.
Later that evening, a picture agency filed an image of the Duke “entering Highgrove on his 18th birthday, driven by his friend, Guy Pelly”.
The 161-word article, published in the Daily Mirror on Monday, September 16, “simply repeated the details that the claimant had given: that he would be having no party, that he would be spending the day with his brother and father, and that his uncle gave him golf clubs”, MGN has argued.
It added: “There are no proximate invoices. There is no evidence of voicemail interception.”
In the interview, the Duke said of his birthday plans: “I’m not having a party or anything. It will be a quiet day at home with my father and my brother - my family.”
He also disclosed that Earl Spencer had given him some golf clubs, adding: “I’m not obsessed by golf. I play it occasionally, but I don’t want to play it professionally.”
The interview came after Prince Harry admitted smoking cannabis and drinking to excess, saying: “That was a mistake and I learned my lesson.”
Among the other articles that the Duke will rely on during the seven-week trial is a story published in the Daily Mirror on Monday, September 16, 1996, which suggested the late Diana, Princess of Wales looked “sad and upset” after a brief 20-minute visit to see Prince Harry at Ludgrove school, Berks, to mark his 12th birthday.
It added that Prince Charles had spent most of Saturday afternoon with Harry, who was “taking the royal divorce badly” and was also distressed over the ill-health of Paddy Whiteland, the former Royal gardener.
MGN said the fact that the late Princess was visiting her son had been confirmed publicly by her spokesperson, while members of the public had seen her.
It argued that the Duke had no reasonable expectation of privacy in respect of the information that he was thought to be taking the divorce “badly” because his mother had spoken publicly about his reaction in her now-infamous 1995 interview with Panorama.
Her comments regarding her sons’ reaction to the breakdown of her marriage were also reported in two stories published by the Press Association during the previous month, while Harry’s close relationship with Mr Whiteland was “well documented”, as was the man’s illness, MGN said.
A third story, published on November 11, 2000, revealed that the Duke had broken his thumb.
MGN said that information had been placed in the public domain by the Palace and had been reported by several newspapers the previous day.
The story also appeared on BBC Online the previous day, and included quotes from a spokeswoman from St James’s Palace, the publisher added.
Among the other articles that the Duke will seek to prove were obtained through illegal means is one in 2002 about his drug-taking, which initially appeared in the first edition of that day’s News of the World, and another story suggesting he might leave his gap-year placement in Australia in 2003 due to media attention.
The latter came from “statements to the press by Clarence House” that were also widely reported in other newspapers that day, MGN said.
David Sherborne, the Duke’s barrister, told the High Court on Thursday that unlawful information gathering was authorised “at the highest levels” at MGN.
He said: “We say the case goes higher than just the journalists.
“The condoning of these activities meant these journalists were able to continue them at this widespread level.
“At all levels, the defendant’s organisation was concealing unlawful activity because it was well aware of how damaging it was.”
Mr Sherborne said it was “inconceivable” that the information regarding unlawful information gathering was not known by the editors, including Piers Morgan, as well as the legal department and the board.
Coronation Street actors Nikki Sanderson and Michael Turner, known professionally as Michael Le Vell, and comedian Paul Whitehouse’s ex-wife Fiona Wightman are named alongside the Duke as “representative” cases in the trial.
MGN said there was “no evidence, or no sufficient evidence, of voicemail interception in any of these four claims”.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2023 19:59

Surely his team would double check these things in order to prevent an own goal like this

But are Harry's legal team in a position to check everything he's ever said in an interview?
Somehow I can't see it, and if a client insists that he's never made such-and-such public then surely they'll take his word for it?

Whaeanui · 11/05/2023 20:04

They shouldn’t take his word for it. It’s not hard to check things like this these days.

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Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 20:05

That makes his legal team look bad, surely they would have been expected to fact check those things.

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Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 20:14

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2023 19:59

Surely his team would double check these things in order to prevent an own goal like this

But are Harry's legal team in a position to check everything he's ever said in an interview?
Somehow I can't see it, and if a client insists that he's never made such-and-such public then surely they'll take his word for it?

It was 20 years ago, he's probably forgotten but presumably they can look back at newspaper archives. I've done it at the local library when I was researching something from 30 years ago. I think you can even subscribe to do it online. It isn't like it is one barrister doing it all, he will have a team behind him and I bet it costs a pretty penny.

Iwasafool · 11/05/2023 20:20

So when they said they got the information from royal aides and members of the family did they mean leaks or did they mean the examples in The Telegraph article, information from Harry, his mother, a spokesman from St James's Palace. If so I wonder why they released it sounding like it was an admission that members of the family/the household were leaking information. Is that a lawyers trick or something.

polkadotdalmation · 11/05/2023 20:28

He's going to have to go into the witness box in the MGN trial for several days. I don't like Harry for many reasons, but he's either very brave or crazy if he does this with his track record of remembering his 'truth'.

Until now Harry and Meghan have had interviews that are carefully stage managed. In the witness box a good barrister won't be intimidated by royalty or money, and he may be in for a mauling. However I hope he pulls it off and is able to hold any wrongdoers to account. It will be interesting either way

Serenster · 11/05/2023 20:31

But are Harry's legal team in a position to check everything he's ever said in an interview?

They are a big firm, with copious resources and a well-funded claimant. They also have a responsibility to the court to put forward a tenable case. So yes, they should have been doing basic fact checking on the allegations - at the very least doing a few searches to check who else was reporting the same stories, and what statements had been made by the Palace at the same time.

(And also, they will have had all the other side’s evidence disclosed to them well in advance of the trial , so they would have been able to go through and see what AGN had in its possession around the time the articles were published).

Inkanta · 11/05/2023 20:33

Never understood why Piers Morgan was always banging on so much about Harry and Meghan - relentless character assassination. Maybe he thought he could scare and bully Harry off. Well pay back time - Harry's coming for him. Would like to see him taken down.

polkadotdalmation · 11/05/2023 20:38

A legal team, solicitor, barrister etc have to take their clients word for it that they are telling the truth, and fight their case accordingly. However they will research the evidence from the defence, which has to be disclosed pre trial and if there are discrepancies with their clients case, its only sensible to question their client before the trial and iron them out.

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